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That and getting rid of the TTY altogether. We aren't using punched cards EDIT: people hate when I say this, which amuses me. The TTY must die !!!!

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nils-m-holm 11y ago
> The TTY must die!!!! Being sight-impaired, I have to disagree strongly! The TTY is the only thing that lets me adjust the font size of all programs running in it without going through lots of trouble. (BTW: didn't downvote your comment.)
- guard-of-terra 11y ago
  Browsers let you do that. KDE also does, so do other environments. For a quick hack, set your sceen DPI to 50.
  - nils-m-holm 11y ago
    Set your minimum font size to 32 points and browse the web for a while! Let me know how it feels!
    - guard-of-terra 11y ago
      Browsers can set default zoom, not just font size.
      - nils-m-holm 11y ago
        Doesn't help. When the zoom factor is big enough, you have to scroll sideways while reading. Anyway, I have tried a lot of things over the years and nothing even comes close to using a text interface. To name a few nuisances: controls moving outside of the screen, overlapping elements in web content, unreadable buttons, unclickable input fields, tiny fonts in menus, etc. Nothing of this happens with text interfaces. Thanks for your input, though!
        guard-of-terra 11y ago
        For reading, consider installing beeline reader (yes the name is stupid-ish), in plugin or bookmarklet form.
- SixSigma 11y ago
  Plan9 has an environment variable $font that sets the system font for everything. The windowing system can even start inside one of its own windows so you can have different fonts for different sets of programs, all settable at runtime. The TTY must die.
plugnburn 11y ago
Seems like your mouse never broke (or, if you have a wireless one, the battery in it has never died, and if it did, you could immediately replace it). Or are you the type that does everything on a touchscreen? Because, judging from your logic, traditional computer controls must die too...
- SixSigma 11y ago
  The high frequency of mouse failure, the high cost of downtime and the low price of mice suggest that having spare mice makes sense. By your logic, I would be stranded at the side of the road wishing I had a spare tyre.
  - plugnburn 11y ago
    That's not quite a correct analogy because modern systems allow you to do things without mouse. Still there are some individuals that obviously strive to take those possibilities away and make a mouse like a tyre. I'm really happy it's not the case yet.
kiiski 11y ago
Personally I like doing text-only work (such as programming) in a TTY with Emacs. I'd like to have a machine with no X at all, but unfortunately there aren't many good framebuffer-friendly graphical tools (fbi is good for viewing images, but doesn't support gifs; vlc is ok for playing videos, but the ncurses UI is too buggy; most modern websites are barely usable with links2, while netsurf is too mouse-oriented for my tastes).
pjc50 11y ago
How do you operate a command line without something similar to the tty? Windows doesn't have a tty-style interface, and as a result its command prompt has been even more primitive. (Powershell ISE is something else .. once it actually loads)

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nils-m-holm 11y ago

> The TTY must die!!!! Being sight-impaired, I have to disagree strongly! The TTY is the only thing that lets me adjust the font size of all programs running in it without going through lots of trouble. (BTW: didn't downvote your comment.)

guard-of-terra 11y ago
Browsers let you do that. KDE also does, so do other environments. For a quick hack, set your sceen DPI to 50.
- nils-m-holm 11y ago
  Set your minimum font size to 32 points and browse the web for a while! Let me know how it feels!
  - guard-of-terra 11y ago
    Browsers can set default zoom, not just font size.
    - nils-m-holm 11y ago
      Doesn't help. When the zoom factor is big enough, you have to scroll sideways while reading. Anyway, I have tried a lot of things over the years and nothing even comes close to using a text interface. To name a few nuisances: controls moving outside of the screen, overlapping elements in web content, unreadable buttons, unclickable input fields, tiny fonts in menus, etc. Nothing of this happens with text interfaces. Thanks for your input, though!
      - guard-of-terra 11y ago
        For reading, consider installing beeline reader (yes the name is stupid-ish), in plugin or bookmarklet form.
SixSigma 11y ago
Plan9 has an environment variable $font that sets the system font for everything. The windowing system can even start inside one of its own windows so you can have different fonts for different sets of programs, all settable at runtime. The TTY must die.

plugnburn 11y ago

Seems like your mouse never broke (or, if you have a wireless one, the battery in it has never died, and if it did, you could immediately replace it). Or are you the type that does everything on a touchscreen? Because, judging from your logic, traditional computer controls must die too...

SixSigma 11y ago
The high frequency of mouse failure, the high cost of downtime and the low price of mice suggest that having spare mice makes sense. By your logic, I would be stranded at the side of the road wishing I had a spare tyre.
- plugnburn 11y ago
  That's not quite a correct analogy because modern systems allow you to do things without mouse. Still there are some individuals that obviously strive to take those possibilities away and make a mouse like a tyre. I'm really happy it's not the case yet.

kiiski 11y ago

Personally I like doing text-only work (such as programming) in a TTY with Emacs. I'd like to have a machine with no X at all, but unfortunately there aren't many good framebuffer-friendly graphical tools (fbi is good for viewing images, but doesn't support gifs; vlc is ok for playing videos, but the ncurses UI is too buggy; most modern websites are barely usable with links2, while netsurf is too mouse-oriented for my tastes).

pjc50 11y ago

How do you operate a command line without something similar to the tty? Windows doesn't have a tty-style interface, and as a result its command prompt has been even more primitive. (Powershell ISE is something else .. once it actually loads)