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Have always hated the half-ass integration Windows has. Half the stuff does not work as it should or is broken, no one tests on Windows and I doubt they will st

by x5n1 11y ago

Have always hated the half-ass integration Windows has. Half the stuff does not work as it should or is broken, no one tests on Windows and I doubt they will start now. Never been fun doing anything with non-MS stuff on Windows. I doubt it ever will be. As for writing anything, I don't know why I would bother with non-MS stuff on Windows platform, it usually does not come out well. C# is a great language and Visual Studio is great for using it. And it's free.

giancarlostoro 11y ago
I've never really had issues with using Python 3 on Windows, as for .NET you can always give IronPython a shot as well, though it has yet to make the leap to "3" in a while, at least last I checked, same with Jython.
bsder 11y ago
> Have always hated the half-ass integration Windows has. Half the stuff does not work as it should or is broken, no one tests on Windows and I doubt they will start now. What? Python has been one of the significant exceptions on this front because Enthought actually shipped a product which was expected to work on Windows. Python also goes out of its way to make sure that things work in sane ways even when Windows has no real equivalent. I also suspect this is one of the reasons for Python's ascendancy over other scripting languages. By being one of the few scripting languages that runs decently on Windows, you gain an automatic user population advantage.
- HankB99 11y ago
  Maybe I'm dreaming this... Trying to install some Python package on Windows 8.1 and 'the usual' stuff didn't work. I'm a python newb and maybe I wasn't doing something right. I'm more used to Linux/Perl and doing "Perl -M CPAN ..." which just works. 'pip ...' just didn't. I was not left with the feeling that Python ran as well on Windows as on Linux.
  - rspeer 11y ago
    It definitely doesn't. People writing Python packages make reasonable assumptions like that you've got a POSIX command line, a UTF-8-compatible terminal, and a C compiler that's compatible with the Python development headers. On Windows, you probably don't. It'd be nice if Windows made an effort to provide a sane environment for Python, because the Python devs certainly aren't doing anything to make things sane on Windows.
  - Mikhail_Edoshin 11y ago
    Don't you want to try Cygwin? You'll get as close to Unix on Windows as possible. pip will definitely work.
    - ddorian43 11y ago
      Many things are still broken in cygwin still. Examples: uwsgi, gevent
    - seanp2k2 11y ago
      Ubuntu server VM in vbox with shared folders works better than anything I've tried to get things working well I native Windows. Sure it's not impossible, but the tax isn't worth it IMO.
  - bsder 11y ago
    I'm under the (quite possibly mistaken memory) impression that the Enthought guys (ScipPy and NumPy) hid installation stuff behind a GUI for Windows people. I could be wrong as it's been a long time since I helped anybody with that on Windows.
    - joshuaduffy 11y ago
      It is up to whoever creates the package. You can create windows installers with setuptools, see: https://docs.python.org/2/distutils/builtdist.html https://docs.python.org/2/distutils/builtdist.html
  - stuaxo 11y ago
dietrichepp 11y ago
That hasn't been my experience. It depends on the kind of app you are writing. Are you writing a desktop UI app or game? Yes, C# apps tend to be better and you can use XAML or whatever. But I've written a bunch of build tools and network apps that work flawlessly on Windows and Unix family systems. Not everyone wants to switch to Microsoft tooling for their entire project just to support one more platform. By comparison, C# tooling makes some things really difficult on Unix-like systems. For example, try spawning a process and redirecting file #3 to a pipe. I honestly do not know how to do that in C#. Python is fantastic at being cross-platform glue.

by x5n1 11y ago

giancarlostoro 11y ago

I've never really had issues with using Python 3 on Windows, as for .NET you can always give IronPython a shot as well, though it has yet to make the leap to "3" in a while, at least last I checked, same with Jython.

bsder 11y ago

> Have always hated the half-ass integration Windows has. Half the stuff does not work as it should or is broken, no one tests on Windows and I doubt they will start now. What? Python has been one of the significant exceptions on this front because Enthought actually shipped a product which was expected to work on Windows. Python also goes out of its way to make sure that things work in sane ways even when Windows has no real equivalent. I also suspect this is one of the reasons for Python's ascendancy over other scripting languages. By being one of the few scripting languages that runs decently on Windows, you gain an automatic user population advantage.

HankB99 11y ago
Maybe I'm dreaming this... Trying to install some Python package on Windows 8.1 and 'the usual' stuff didn't work. I'm a python newb and maybe I wasn't doing something right. I'm more used to Linux/Perl and doing "Perl -M CPAN ..." which just works. 'pip ...' just didn't. I was not left with the feeling that Python ran as well on Windows as on Linux.
- rspeer 11y ago
  It definitely doesn't. People writing Python packages make reasonable assumptions like that you've got a POSIX command line, a UTF-8-compatible terminal, and a C compiler that's compatible with the Python development headers. On Windows, you probably don't. It'd be nice if Windows made an effort to provide a sane environment for Python, because the Python devs certainly aren't doing anything to make things sane on Windows.
- Mikhail_Edoshin 11y ago
  Don't you want to try Cygwin? You'll get as close to Unix on Windows as possible. pip will definitely work.
  - ddorian43 11y ago
    Many things are still broken in cygwin still. Examples: uwsgi, gevent
  - seanp2k2 11y ago
    Ubuntu server VM in vbox with shared folders works better than anything I've tried to get things working well I native Windows. Sure it's not impossible, but the tax isn't worth it IMO.
- bsder 11y ago
  I'm under the (quite possibly mistaken memory) impression that the Enthought guys (ScipPy and NumPy) hid installation stuff behind a GUI for Windows people. I could be wrong as it's been a long time since I helped anybody with that on Windows.
  - joshuaduffy 11y ago
    It is up to whoever creates the package. You can create windows installers with setuptools, see: https://docs.python.org/2/distutils/builtdist.html https://docs.python.org/2/distutils/builtdist.html
- stuaxo 11y ago

dietrichepp 11y ago

That hasn't been my experience. It depends on the kind of app you are writing. Are you writing a desktop UI app or game? Yes, C# apps tend to be better and you can use XAML or whatever. But I've written a bunch of build tools and network apps that work flawlessly on Windows and Unix family systems. Not everyone wants to switch to Microsoft tooling for their entire project just to support one more platform. By comparison, C# tooling makes some things really difficult on Unix-like systems. For example, try spawning a process and redirecting file #3 to a pipe. I honestly do not know how to do that in C#. Python is fantastic at being cross-platform glue.