It feels like designers really have a bad rep here and I have no idea why. I mean, yes, there are horrible websites out there – but those are just made by bad d

It feels like designers really have a bad rep here and I have no idea why. I mean, yes, there are horrible websites out there – but those are just made by bad designers. If I look at the actually ambititous people, those comparable to the HN crowd of programmers, I just see enourmous competence. They no longer do web design with a desktop publishing mindset (that's a clich=e of the 90ies). They've rebranded to User Interface Design, to Interaction Design and to whatever "Service Design" may be. Which means: they usually know better than most programmers that design isn't about something being pretty, but that it's part of an interaction of machines, data & humans. I seriously don't know any designer who isn't obsessed with usability, load times, discoverability and so on. You also can't get a degree today without at least a few semesters of python. Do they always hit the right balance between performance and features? I don't know. But it appears as if there's a fundamental principle: Just like some would like to surf the 90ies web with the 2016 connection, others may want to run Windows 2000 on today's computers, or get a car from the 60ies produced in today's effiecient factories. In all these areas, the creative people as well as (too an overwhelming extend) the consumers have chosen a balance that appears to work ok. And anyone complaining here be better only writing in C & Assembly.