So you're saying that the argument would work better if the examples were in Ruby? At first glance, I'd say they would translate quite easily into idiomatic Rub

So you're saying that the argument would work better if the examples were in Ruby? At first glance, I'd say they would translate quite easily into idiomatic Ruby. jrockway is a Perl programmer; he writes in the language he knows. And if you object to comparing against "out-of-the-box" Java code, that's fine. My understanding is that there are, in fact, JVM-based tools that let you write code in the approximate style of Moose. The only stumbling block is that these tools are called "JRuby" or "Clojure", and the average Java programmer doesn't know or recognize them. [1] Certainly they make no appearance at all in the original article. --- [1] Or maybe my impression is wrong and one or another of the alternative JVM languages really is on track for widespread recognition. I wouldn't know.