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> I think where people are less able to self segregate .... Texan here (of the politically-moderate-to-liberal variety). Honest question: How would you keep

by dctoedt 11y ago

> I think where people are less able to self segregate .... Texan here (of the politically-moderate-to-liberal variety). Honest question: How would you keep people from self-segregating --- especially when parents want to live in the best school-district neighborhoods they can afford. (Texas, by the way, has a "Robin Hood" plan for funding schools, where wealthier districts must give part of their property-tax money to support poorer districts. This, incidentally, was due to a decision of the STATE supreme court, not the U.S. Supreme Court, back in the days before the Republican Party came to dominate state politics. [0]) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood_plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood_plan

zyxley 11y ago
> How would you keep people from self-segregating --- especially when parents want to live in the best school-district neighborhoods they can afford. An early step would probably be some sort of federal scheme for more evenly funding schools, to remove some of this incentive in the first place.
- brianwawok 11y ago
  So if all schools get identical funding: 1) I would be annoyed if I paid 10x the property tax as other places and got none of the benefit. On the other hand there is plenty of money to go around, we can share the wealth some. But: 2) would probabbly just do private school as the public school is no longer safe / a good place to get an education I just moved out of Chicago because everyone has to do #2 to get a good school for their kids because of #1. I don't think this really works in the end. I don't know what the answer is but trying to make all schools equal just ends up bad. Maybe a race blind IQ test to determine what school your kid gets in? But then you need to really be race and money and everything blind and strictly go by merrit.
elipsey 11y ago
> How would you keep people from self-segregating[?] I probably wouldn't. I'm not sure what to do about this except to avoid policies that force people to do so, or create incentives for coercion, if there are any policies of that kind left; e.g. redlining, de-facto segregation of public housing[1]. Maybe we could start with structural reform (that improves social mobility) in areas where the government has already intervened on behalf of powerful incumbents. Here are a few examples that come to mind: --”Right to work” laws. These arguably forbid private parties from making mutually agreeable concessions[2]. --Anti Whistle-blower laws. Texas passed a bill criminalizing the photographing of private land[3] after a drone operator photographed a meat packing plant dumping waste into the trinity river[4]. --Protectionist mandates of various kinds[5]. --State Civil Asset Forfeiture laws[6] create bad incentives for the police. Thanks for the link, I didn't know about that and it's very interesting. [1]http://prospect.org/article/public-housing-government-sponsored-segregation http://prospect.org/article/public-housing-government-sponso... [2] https://texasattorneygeneral.gov/agency/right-to-work-laws-in-texas https://texasattorneygeneral.gov/agency/right-to-work-laws-i... [3] http://jurist.org/paperchase/2013/05/texas-lawmakers-give-final-approval-to-drone-legislation.php http://jurist.org/paperchase/2013/05/texas-lawmakers-give-fi... [4] http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-02/privacy-and-drones http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-02/privacy-and... [5] http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/31/8694673/tesla-loses-fight-to-sell-cars-in-texas http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/31/8694673/tesla-loses-fight-... [6] http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/the-takeaway-texas-lax-civil-forfeiture-laws-make-it-easy-for-cops-to-take-your-stuff-7116948 http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/the-takeaway-texas-lax-ci... Edit: How did I offend?

by dctoedt 11y ago

zyxley 11y ago

> How would you keep people from self-segregating --- especially when parents want to live in the best school-district neighborhoods they can afford. An early step would probably be some sort of federal scheme for more evenly funding schools, to remove some of this incentive in the first place.

brianwawok 11y ago
So if all schools get identical funding: 1) I would be annoyed if I paid 10x the property tax as other places and got none of the benefit. On the other hand there is plenty of money to go around, we can share the wealth some. But: 2) would probabbly just do private school as the public school is no longer safe / a good place to get an education I just moved out of Chicago because everyone has to do #2 to get a good school for their kids because of #1. I don't think this really works in the end. I don't know what the answer is but trying to make all schools equal just ends up bad. Maybe a race blind IQ test to determine what school your kid gets in? But then you need to really be race and money and everything blind and strictly go by merrit.

elipsey 11y ago

> How would you keep people from self-segregating[?] I probably wouldn't. I'm not sure what to do about this except to avoid policies that force people to do so, or create incentives for coercion, if there are any policies of that kind left; e.g. redlining, de-facto segregation of public housing[1]. Maybe we could start with structural reform (that improves social mobility) in areas where the government has already intervened on behalf of powerful incumbents. Here are a few examples that come to mind: --”Right to work” laws. These arguably forbid private parties from making mutually agreeable concessions[2]. --Anti Whistle-blower laws. Texas passed a bill criminalizing the photographing of private land[3] after a drone operator photographed a meat packing plant dumping waste into the trinity river[4]. --Protectionist mandates of various kinds[5]. --State Civil Asset Forfeiture laws[6] create bad incentives for the police. Thanks for the link, I didn't know about that and it's very interesting. [1]http://prospect.org/article/public-housing-government-sponsored-segregation http://prospect.org/article/public-housing-government-sponso... [2] https://texasattorneygeneral.gov/agency/right-to-work-laws-in-texas https://texasattorneygeneral.gov/agency/right-to-work-laws-i... [3] http://jurist.org/paperchase/2013/05/texas-lawmakers-give-final-approval-to-drone-legislation.php http://jurist.org/paperchase/2013/05/texas-lawmakers-give-fi... [4] http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-02/privacy-and-drones http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-02/privacy-and... [5] http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/31/8694673/tesla-loses-fight-to-sell-cars-in-texas http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/31/8694673/tesla-loses-fight-... [6] http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/the-takeaway-texas-lax-civil-forfeiture-laws-make-it-easy-for-cops-to-take-your-stuff-7116948 http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/the-takeaway-texas-lax-ci... Edit: How did I offend?