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>The app store is unlike anything else out there, If you run Ubuntu on the Adam, I'm pretty sure the internet w/o limitations > the app store.

by dzlobin 17y ago

SwellJoe 17y ago
It's always been amazing to me that Apple has managed to convince a sizable number of otherwise intelligent people that a walled garden, tightly controlled by an overbearing schoolmarm, is preferable to the Internet and a totally free market. The app store is a huge bug, not a feature. It's just plain bad for developers (because Apple owns yours customers and the pipeline to those customers, and can cut you off without warning if you happen to compete with them or do something they don't like), and bad for consumers (because the approval process slows updates, puts a filter in the relationship between developer and user, keeps useful applications out of users hands, and insures that Open Source applications have almost no room in the market). If consumers (and developers) were smarter, it would be a killer bug; one that prevented anyone from ever buying an iPhone or iPad or developing for it. But, people don't always act in their own best long-term interest, if the packaging is pretty enough.
- Lazlo_Nibble 17y ago
  What amazes me is the number of otherwise-apparently-intelligent people who appear to honestly believe that Apple users are just vapid trendoids who are fooled by all the pretty colors. Strangely, none of them seem to have figured out how to slap the same pretty colors onto their otherwise-superior products/platforms and carve out a chunk of the vapid trendoid market for themselves. How hard can it be?
  - fnid2 17y ago
    It's really a matter of the size of the walled garden. You could call the entire earth a walled garden if you want. If the walled garden is big enough, people are okay with it. For the majority of apple customers, the app store is plenty big enough. Apple customers are like those animals in the safari sized zoos where they can run around and feel free enough to not care so much about the fences keeping them in.
  - SwellJoe 17y ago
    Apple users are just vapid trendoids who are fooled by all the pretty colors. You said it, not me. I never said anything about the quality of Apple products. I mentioned one very specific, but serious, bug in the Apple iPhone/iPad products. I'm not saying Apple doesn't make beautiful products, or even that their products are poor quality (with a pretty face). I said that the App Market is a bug, not a feature, and that I'm surprised that anyone would consider it a positive market trend. I also implied that I'm disappointed that many people who I otherwise respect, have fallen into the trap of being sharecroppers on Apple's land. I'm disappointed because they're enabling what I consider a power shift in the wrong direction (back towards big corporations, and away from consumers and independent developers). Your argument is not relevant to my comment, and I don't have any opinion on vapid trendoids and their choice of computer, phone, or tablet. You can argue with someone else about that.
- paul 17y ago
  Easy wins. As much as I love downloading and building everything from source... actually, no, I hate that. Apple built that first easy app install experience, and that's the reason people love it, not because of some ideological preference.
  - ZeroGravitas 17y ago
    "downloading and building everything from source"? Look, I'm typing this on a MacBook, but that's the most ridiculously outdated Linux cliché in the book. The App store is just package management, which Linux has had for a while, and which Mac OS X is sadly missing.
    - glhaynes 17y ago
      "The App store is just package management, which Linux has had for a while, and which Mac OS X is sadly missing." Ergo the users of Macs would have a better install/uninstall experience if they were running Linux. Ummm, OK.
      - SwellJoe 17y ago
        Ergo the users of Macs would have a better install/uninstall experience if they were running Linux. Ummm, OK. I don't understand your sarcastic tone...they would have a better install/uninstall process if they were running Linux. Mac OS X has horrible package management (effectively none), while apt-get and yum are really, really good.
        glhaynes 17y ago
        The average install/uninstall process is ridiculously easier on Mac OS X. Literally, it's: 1. Drag the single icon (regardless of instruction set or sizeof(int)) into your Applications folder. 2. Double-click the icon. Oh yeah, step 1 is optional. Certainly if Mac OS X were primarily used for installing command line tools / daemons, a package manager would be a stark omission. But that's not what the incredibly vast majority of its users do with it. For the average Mac OS X user, application management is more pleasant than for the average Linux user.
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ThomPete 17y ago
W/o limitations is cool if you are a hacker. For everyone else it's just annoying. Making boundaries is exactly what makes your product a mass market consumer product. 95% of users of technology need limitations so they can't fuck things up.
- BigZaphod 17y ago
  Boundaries are fun for hackers, too. It's a much more interesting achievement to get a thing to do something it was never intended to do (or perhaps even designed to prevent).
  - ThomPete 17y ago
    Well I think hackers BREAK boundaries which is a little different.

>The app store is unlike anything else out there, If you run Ubuntu on the Adam, I'm pretty sure the internet w/o limitations > the app store.

by dzlobin 17y ago

>The app store is unlike anything else out there, If you run Ubuntu on the Adam, I'm pretty sure the internet w/o limitations > the app store.

SwellJoe 17y ago

It's always been amazing to me that Apple has managed to convince a sizable number of otherwise intelligent people that a walled garden, tightly controlled by an overbearing schoolmarm, is preferable to the Internet and a totally free market. The app store is a huge bug, not a feature. It's just plain bad for developers (because Apple owns yours customers and the pipeline to those customers, and can cut you off without warning if you happen to compete with them or do something they don't like), and bad for consumers (because the approval process slows updates, puts a filter in the relationship between developer and user, keeps useful applications out of users hands, and insures that Open Source applications have almost no room in the market). If consumers (and developers) were smarter, it would be a killer bug; one that prevented anyone from ever buying an iPhone or iPad or developing for it. But, people don't always act in their own best long-term interest, if the packaging is pretty enough.

Lazlo_Nibble 17y ago
What amazes me is the number of otherwise-apparently-intelligent people who appear to honestly believe that Apple users are just vapid trendoids who are fooled by all the pretty colors. Strangely, none of them seem to have figured out how to slap the same pretty colors onto their otherwise-superior products/platforms and carve out a chunk of the vapid trendoid market for themselves. How hard can it be?
- fnid2 17y ago
  It's really a matter of the size of the walled garden. You could call the entire earth a walled garden if you want. If the walled garden is big enough, people are okay with it. For the majority of apple customers, the app store is plenty big enough. Apple customers are like those animals in the safari sized zoos where they can run around and feel free enough to not care so much about the fences keeping them in.
- SwellJoe 17y ago
  Apple users are just vapid trendoids who are fooled by all the pretty colors. You said it, not me. I never said anything about the quality of Apple products. I mentioned one very specific, but serious, bug in the Apple iPhone/iPad products. I'm not saying Apple doesn't make beautiful products, or even that their products are poor quality (with a pretty face). I said that the App Market is a bug, not a feature, and that I'm surprised that anyone would consider it a positive market trend. I also implied that I'm disappointed that many people who I otherwise respect, have fallen into the trap of being sharecroppers on Apple's land. I'm disappointed because they're enabling what I consider a power shift in the wrong direction (back towards big corporations, and away from consumers and independent developers). Your argument is not relevant to my comment, and I don't have any opinion on vapid trendoids and their choice of computer, phone, or tablet. You can argue with someone else about that.
paul 17y ago
Easy wins. As much as I love downloading and building everything from source... actually, no, I hate that. Apple built that first easy app install experience, and that's the reason people love it, not because of some ideological preference.
- ZeroGravitas 17y ago
  "downloading and building everything from source"? Look, I'm typing this on a MacBook, but that's the most ridiculously outdated Linux cliché in the book. The App store is just package management, which Linux has had for a while, and which Mac OS X is sadly missing.
  - glhaynes 17y ago
    "The App store is just package management, which Linux has had for a while, and which Mac OS X is sadly missing." Ergo the users of Macs would have a better install/uninstall experience if they were running Linux. Ummm, OK.
    - SwellJoe 17y ago
      Ergo the users of Macs would have a better install/uninstall experience if they were running Linux. Ummm, OK. I don't understand your sarcastic tone...they would have a better install/uninstall process if they were running Linux. Mac OS X has horrible package management (effectively none), while apt-get and yum are really, really good.
      - glhaynes 17y ago
        The average install/uninstall process is ridiculously easier on Mac OS X. Literally, it's: 1. Drag the single icon (regardless of instruction set or sizeof(int)) into your Applications folder. 2. Double-click the icon. Oh yeah, step 1 is optional. Certainly if Mac OS X were primarily used for installing command line tools / daemons, a package manager would be a stark omission. But that's not what the incredibly vast majority of its users do with it. For the average Mac OS X user, application management is more pleasant than for the average Linux user.
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ThomPete 17y ago

W/o limitations is cool if you are a hacker. For everyone else it's just annoying. Making boundaries is exactly what makes your product a mass market consumer product. 95% of users of technology need limitations so they can't fuck things up.

BigZaphod 17y ago
Boundaries are fun for hackers, too. It's a much more interesting achievement to get a thing to do something it was never intended to do (or perhaps even designed to prevent).
- ThomPete 17y ago
  Well I think hackers BREAK boundaries which is a little different.