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cool. I've used a similar chrome extension for tracking other businesses feature and pricing pages. Have you thought about B2B usecases?

by fblp 11y ago

BenoitP 11y ago
If you don't mind, what is this extension?
- fblp 11y ago
  Page Monitor https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/page-monitor/ogeebjpdeabhncjpfhgdibjajcajepgg?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/page-monitor/ogeeb...
dkarp 11y ago
I have thought about it. There is a lot of data behind the scenes on how the news sites are behaving; when they post, when they make edits, what kind of updates they make etc and also I run some NLP on the stored data to try to find what edits are more important, that data isn't displayed anywhere at the moment. It still isn't totally clear to me who the customer would be though and the basic features (i.e. how it is now) will always remain free. At the moment it is still a little buggy, especially displaying the diffs on the page, so I am focused mainly on ironing that out.
- m0nty 11y ago
  I really like this, and agree that the diffs need to be clearer since it's not easy to get a Wikipedia-like overview of how a page has changed between the earliest and latest editions. AFAICT, you have to step through a version at a time and it can be tricky to see the overall, cumulative effect of all the edits (please tell me if I'm wrong). But it's fascinating and very worthwhile to see how the articles change over time. I've often wondered in broadcast media how editors make their decisions about which parts of the story to (de)emphasize as it develops during the day, with earlier versions often seeming to have a completely different spin from the later ones. I suppose partly they've had time to think about it, more information has become available, and I also suspect lobbyists and other interested parties have been on the phone. Thanks :)
  - dkarp 11y ago
    you're welcome, thanks for the feedback. You're right that at the moment you need to step through each change separately. I'll soon add some more information to the popup so you can get a better idea at least of the size of the changes. Since I started working on the project 6 months or so ago, I've also been fascinated how much the stories change. I knew before I started that changes were being made, but the frequency and size really surprised me. Most of the changes are grammar/spelling, additional content (as new information comes through) or updating images, which is what you'd expect. But it's surprising how often I've seen the wording altered to give a slightly different meaning, perhaps where an editor has come in with different sentiments. These edits also obviously mean that when you share an article with someone, what they read is different to what you shared. So I'd also like to add the option to share a fixed version of an article.
    - m0nty 11y ago
      I was surprised at the volume of changes to this article, the first one I went to: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/07/revealed-30-year-economic-betrayal-dragging-down-generation-y-income http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/07/revealed-30-yea... Everything below was lost, I wonder why? > Analysis: what’s behind the problems of Generation Y? > Millennials are picking up the tab for the western world’s most stunning accounting disaster to date. No one expected people to live as long as they are, and in such great numbers. Pensions that were promised in the past, and seemed ordinary at the time, are now onerously over-generous, and that is hurting young adults today. > Jonathan Gardner, a senior (Generation X) economist at Willis Towers Watson, one of the world’s largest insurance brokers and pension advisory services, says the retired are hoovering up so much cash that there is no money left for salary increases. > “For various reasons, not enough was paid in, in the past, which is leaving deficits and the company [employer] has to pay,” he said. “People say the company should pay this and the company should pay that, but it’s like most things: if the company is paying something the money comes from somewhere, and it tends to affect workers.” > In the end, said Gardner: “It’s the young who are bearing the burden of those past [pension] mistakes.” > Democratic imbalance > Pensioner demands are not just beating down the financial prospects of new employees. Retirees are also winning more from governments than they did a generation ago. Our figures show double-digit, real-terms growth in social transfers – what governments give out – over 30 years to pensioners aged 65-79, ranging from as low as 26% in Germany to 146% in the UK. > UK incomes > And once again, young people are the ones paying the price. Laurence Kotlikoff (baby boomer), a professor of economics at Boston University, is astounded at what has happened, especially in America. “The US is out to bankrupt its children.” > The former head of the US Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke, said that although he believed the issue was paramount, he firmly believed it was not the job of central banks to address it. “The types of policies relevant to changing demographics are mostly fiscal in nature, and are consequently Congress’s responsibility,” he said. > There is of course the flip side to these startling shifts in demography. In most countries in the set studied by the Guardian, young adults are now a smaller part of the workforce than was the case 30 years ago. Theoretically, this should have resulted in a rise in millennial wages, says James Pomeroy (Generation Y), an HSBC economist who published a report on demography last year. Fewer workers means more bargaining power with employers, he said. > However, this has all been turned on its head by globalisation. In the past 30 years, liberalisation has allowed companies to outsource aggressively. Everything from telephone helplines to legal services to computer programmers are now being provided by outsourcing companies in countries such as India or China. > “That global workforce is easier to tap than ever,” said Pomeroy. “That means it’s not so good for your ‘in-demand’ 25-year-old.” The result: a slump in real wages over the past three decades for 25-29 year olds in several countries. > Once again it is only Generation Y suffering this fate. Using figures from 2010, most five-year cohorts from 40 to 65 posted positive pay growth compared with people of the same age 30 years earlier. In the US, Spain and Italy, the older you are in the workplace, the higher those wage increases have been. > The consequences > All this prompts an immediate question about the sustainability of economic growth as a whole. For example, what will happen to consumption? > Middle-aged western consumers who are at the peak of their earning potential have been the central plank in the development of the world’s postwar economy. They have been key to purchasing all sorts of goods from washing machines, microwaves, cars and houses, to life insurance, as well as putting money away in savings. > It’s their appetite for more that has powered global growth for decades. What then happens in a few years when millennials get older and don’t have the disposable income to repeat the same purchasing exercise? Some economists believe that the effects of this are already playing out and, as a result, the developed world’s economies may now be grinding to a halt. > Coyle, the author of the Economics of Enough, agrees that the underlying facts are blunt. Older people, she said, can’t take all the returns of the stock market. “When you’re a pensioner you can’t eat the stock market, you need young workers in the economy to be creating economic output that’s available for consumption at that time.” > Pomeroy added: “If you have a load of people who are 20, 25 and they are becoming your core consumer over the next 15-20 years and they are less well off than the current crop of people in that age group, then that’s not great for growth … you’re in big trouble.” > “We just don’t know whether we can continue growing the economy in the same way we once have.”

cool. I've used a similar chrome extension for tracking other businesses feature and pricing pages. Have you thought about B2B usecases?

by fblp 11y ago

cool. I've used a similar chrome extension for tracking other businesses feature and pricing pages. Have you thought about B2B usecases?

BenoitP 11y ago

If you don't mind, what is this extension?

fblp 11y ago
Page Monitor https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/page-monitor/ogeebjpdeabhncjpfhgdibjajcajepgg?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/page-monitor/ogeeb...

dkarp 11y ago

I have thought about it. There is a lot of data behind the scenes on how the news sites are behaving; when they post, when they make edits, what kind of updates they make etc and also I run some NLP on the stored data to try to find what edits are more important, that data isn't displayed anywhere at the moment. It still isn't totally clear to me who the customer would be though and the basic features (i.e. how it is now) will always remain free. At the moment it is still a little buggy, especially displaying the diffs on the page, so I am focused mainly on ironing that out.

m0nty 11y ago
I really like this, and agree that the diffs need to be clearer since it's not easy to get a Wikipedia-like overview of how a page has changed between the earliest and latest editions. AFAICT, you have to step through a version at a time and it can be tricky to see the overall, cumulative effect of all the edits (please tell me if I'm wrong). But it's fascinating and very worthwhile to see how the articles change over time. I've often wondered in broadcast media how editors make their decisions about which parts of the story to (de)emphasize as it develops during the day, with earlier versions often seeming to have a completely different spin from the later ones. I suppose partly they've had time to think about it, more information has become available, and I also suspect lobbyists and other interested parties have been on the phone. Thanks :)
- dkarp 11y ago
  you're welcome, thanks for the feedback. You're right that at the moment you need to step through each change separately. I'll soon add some more information to the popup so you can get a better idea at least of the size of the changes. Since I started working on the project 6 months or so ago, I've also been fascinated how much the stories change. I knew before I started that changes were being made, but the frequency and size really surprised me. Most of the changes are grammar/spelling, additional content (as new information comes through) or updating images, which is what you'd expect. But it's surprising how often I've seen the wording altered to give a slightly different meaning, perhaps where an editor has come in with different sentiments. These edits also obviously mean that when you share an article with someone, what they read is different to what you shared. So I'd also like to add the option to share a fixed version of an article.
  - m0nty 11y ago
    I was surprised at the volume of changes to this article, the first one I went to: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/07/revealed-30-year-economic-betrayal-dragging-down-generation-y-income http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/07/revealed-30-yea... Everything below was lost, I wonder why? > Analysis: what’s behind the problems of Generation Y? > Millennials are picking up the tab for the western world’s most stunning accounting disaster to date. No one expected people to live as long as they are, and in such great numbers. Pensions that were promised in the past, and seemed ordinary at the time, are now onerously over-generous, and that is hurting young adults today. > Jonathan Gardner, a senior (Generation X) economist at Willis Towers Watson, one of the world’s largest insurance brokers and pension advisory services, says the retired are hoovering up so much cash that there is no money left for salary increases. > “For various reasons, not enough was paid in, in the past, which is leaving deficits and the company [employer] has to pay,” he said. “People say the company should pay this and the company should pay that, but it’s like most things: if the company is paying something the money comes from somewhere, and it tends to affect workers.” > In the end, said Gardner: “It’s the young who are bearing the burden of those past [pension] mistakes.” > Democratic imbalance > Pensioner demands are not just beating down the financial prospects of new employees. Retirees are also winning more from governments than they did a generation ago. Our figures show double-digit, real-terms growth in social transfers – what governments give out – over 30 years to pensioners aged 65-79, ranging from as low as 26% in Germany to 146% in the UK. > UK incomes > And once again, young people are the ones paying the price. Laurence Kotlikoff (baby boomer), a professor of economics at Boston University, is astounded at what has happened, especially in America. “The US is out to bankrupt its children.” > The former head of the US Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke, said that although he believed the issue was paramount, he firmly believed it was not the job of central banks to address it. “The types of policies relevant to changing demographics are mostly fiscal in nature, and are consequently Congress’s responsibility,” he said. > There is of course the flip side to these startling shifts in demography. In most countries in the set studied by the Guardian, young adults are now a smaller part of the workforce than was the case 30 years ago. Theoretically, this should have resulted in a rise in millennial wages, says James Pomeroy (Generation Y), an HSBC economist who published a report on demography last year. Fewer workers means more bargaining power with employers, he said. > However, this has all been turned on its head by globalisation. In the past 30 years, liberalisation has allowed companies to outsource aggressively. Everything from telephone helplines to legal services to computer programmers are now being provided by outsourcing companies in countries such as India or China. > “That global workforce is easier to tap than ever,” said Pomeroy. “That means it’s not so good for your ‘in-demand’ 25-year-old.” The result: a slump in real wages over the past three decades for 25-29 year olds in several countries. > Once again it is only Generation Y suffering this fate. Using figures from 2010, most five-year cohorts from 40 to 65 posted positive pay growth compared with people of the same age 30 years earlier. In the US, Spain and Italy, the older you are in the workplace, the higher those wage increases have been. > The consequences > All this prompts an immediate question about the sustainability of economic growth as a whole. For example, what will happen to consumption? > Middle-aged western consumers who are at the peak of their earning potential have been the central plank in the development of the world’s postwar economy. They have been key to purchasing all sorts of goods from washing machines, microwaves, cars and houses, to life insurance, as well as putting money away in savings. > It’s their appetite for more that has powered global growth for decades. What then happens in a few years when millennials get older and don’t have the disposable income to repeat the same purchasing exercise? Some economists believe that the effects of this are already playing out and, as a result, the developed world’s economies may now be grinding to a halt. > Coyle, the author of the Economics of Enough, agrees that the underlying facts are blunt. Older people, she said, can’t take all the returns of the stock market. “When you’re a pensioner you can’t eat the stock market, you need young workers in the economy to be creating economic output that’s available for consumption at that time.” > Pomeroy added: “If you have a load of people who are 20, 25 and they are becoming your core consumer over the next 15-20 years and they are less well off than the current crop of people in that age group, then that’s not great for growth … you’re in big trouble.” > “We just don’t know whether we can continue growing the economy in the same way we once have.”