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Nonsense, disregarding the pink elephant in the room (reproducibility in academia) once a method has shown potential it is often spun off into some sort startup

Nonsense, disregarding the pink elephant in the room (reproducibility in academia) once a method has shown potential it is often spun off into some sort startup (often SBR recipients). If they keep gaining clout, a bigger pharmaceutical will buy them out. New medicines are developed 10% by a university and 90% by industry.

crdoconnor 11y ago
Not 90%. 58%. According to JAMA. https://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=185198 https://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=185198 When the public funds drug research it also doesn't "magically" discover that its drugs are really effective when they aren't: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2006/06/10/studies-funded-by-drug-companies-favor-drugs-80-percent-of-the-time.aspx http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2006/06/1...
- selimthegrim 11y ago
  You're seriously going to post Mercola on HN?
  - selimthegrim 11y ago
    Yes, go ahead and down vote me for flagging links to a quack's website.
    - dang 11y ago
      Please don't post comments about getting downvoted: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The comment was unsubstantive and dismissive. If there's something wrong with a source, it would be better to explain what that is instead of just snarking, which (a) undermines civility and (b) teaches us nothing.
      - selimthegrim 11y ago
        Very well. Joseph Mercola[1] to put it politely, is not burdened by objective reproduction of claimed results when hawking his alternative remedies. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola
        crdoconnor 11y ago
        If you're going to disagree with the source, disagree with the source, not the website that cited the source: "Researchers from the Beth Israel Medical Center in New York City examined four journals: American Journal of Psychiatry, Archives of General Psychiatry, Journal of Clinical Psychiatry and Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology. They found drugs were favored in roughly:" Is Beth Israel full of quacks?
        selimthegrim 11y ago
        I doubt it, but since Mercola didn't link me to their meta-study I can't find the reference directly. It's not the JAMA link that was in the OP.
- frozenport 11y ago
  Actually when the public funds drug research it's often not reproducible 1. From personal experience the number of times when the work isn't a fabrication is less than the number of fingers on my right hand. 1 http://blog.scienceexchange.com/2012/04/the-need-for-reproducibility-in-academic-research/ http://blog.scienceexchange.com/2012/04/the-need-for-reprodu...
dexterdog 11y ago
And the university likely pockets a nice little "non-profit"

crdoconnor 11y ago

Not 90%. 58%. According to JAMA. https://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=185198 https://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=185198 When the public funds drug research it also doesn't "magically" discover that its drugs are really effective when they aren't: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2006/06/10/studies-funded-by-drug-companies-favor-drugs-80-percent-of-the-time.aspx http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2006/06/1...

selimthegrim 11y ago
You're seriously going to post Mercola on HN?
- selimthegrim 11y ago
  Yes, go ahead and down vote me for flagging links to a quack's website.
  - dang 11y ago
    Please don't post comments about getting downvoted: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The comment was unsubstantive and dismissive. If there's something wrong with a source, it would be better to explain what that is instead of just snarking, which (a) undermines civility and (b) teaches us nothing.
    - selimthegrim 11y ago
      Very well. Joseph Mercola[1] to put it politely, is not burdened by objective reproduction of claimed results when hawking his alternative remedies. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola
      - crdoconnor 11y ago
        If you're going to disagree with the source, disagree with the source, not the website that cited the source: "Researchers from the Beth Israel Medical Center in New York City examined four journals: American Journal of Psychiatry, Archives of General Psychiatry, Journal of Clinical Psychiatry and Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology. They found drugs were favored in roughly:" Is Beth Israel full of quacks?
        selimthegrim 11y ago
        I doubt it, but since Mercola didn't link me to their meta-study I can't find the reference directly. It's not the JAMA link that was in the OP.
frozenport 11y ago
Actually when the public funds drug research it's often not reproducible 1. From personal experience the number of times when the work isn't a fabrication is less than the number of fingers on my right hand. 1 http://blog.scienceexchange.com/2012/04/the-need-for-reproducibility-in-academic-research/ http://blog.scienceexchange.com/2012/04/the-need-for-reprodu...

dexterdog 11y ago

And the university likely pockets a nice little "non-profit"