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Libertarians to everyone else: "I will use my power and leverage to influence you at will, but don't you dare use your power and leverage to influence me. I don

Libertarians to everyone else: "I will use my power and leverage to influence you at will, but don't you dare use your power and leverage to influence me. I don't consent to it."

UK-AL 11y ago
What the hell are you on about? Libertarians definition freedom stops at the point you start infringing on the freedom of others. It's a core concept. You would not find a single libertarian who agrees with your statement. They would probably stick to that concept more than any other ideology would.
- edent 11y ago
  "I am scared to leave my house because you might shoot me." Can a person controlling others with their intimidating behaviour? If so, what's the Libertarian response to that? Libertarianism is the rule of the power of individuals. Which is great if you're strong, skilled, healthy, respected, and/or have access to equipment. For the rest of us, it's a dystopia.
  - UK-AL 11y ago
    Well if someone threating to shoot you, then yes obviously someone is infringing on your liberty... so yes there would rules against that.
    - edent 11y ago
      "Threatening? No, sir! I just like walking down the street open-carrying my AK47. And occasionally test firing it at wood-pigeons." Incidentally - who makes the rules against threats? Who enforces them? Seems like we would need a group of people to decide on these rules. But how should we choose those people...?
      - UK-AL 11y ago
        "Threatening? No, sir! I just like walking down the street open-carrying my AK47. And occasionally test firing it at wood-pigeons." - That an excuse, people try to make excuses with the current system to get away with things. It's not exclusive libertarianism. You would get it under any system. "Incidentally - who makes the rules against threats? Who enforces them? Seems like we would need a group of people to decide on these rules. But how should we choose those people...? " There are millions of different versions libertarianism with different solutions. Some with insurance, private police force that work for the insurer. Can't list them all. I personally am a classical liberal, I don't advocate no government just that it should be limited to law, order, military etc
  - cgriswald 11y ago
    If you believe the media-derived caricature of any political philosophy, it's a dystopia for most or all.
- notahacker 11y ago
  > Libertarians definition freedom stops at the point you start infringing on the freedom of others. Virtually all people identifying as libertarians believe in property rights, which by definition are restrictions on the freedom of others to make use of certain things.
  - UK-AL 11y ago
    because people who can take your stuff are also infringing on your freedom...
    - notahacker 11y ago
      What right do you have to coerce me into acknowledging the stuff is yours? Or more precisely, how exactly is that combination of precedent, social contract, practical utility and legal and actual force that allows you to claim the right to limit my use of your stuff different from the basis for government agencies claiming the right to impose other limits?
  - Synaesthesia 11y ago
    We must distinguish between the American school of libertarianism, which is capitalist in nature, and has nothing to do with European libertarianism, which came first and was always a socialist movement. However for the purposes of this discussion we are referring, of course to the American version.
oldmanjay 11y ago
Do you frequently dictate the stances of those you oppose?

Libertarians to everyone else: "I will use my power and leverage to influence you at will, but don't you dare use your power and leverage to influence me. I don't consent to it."

UK-AL 11y ago

What the hell are you on about? Libertarians definition freedom stops at the point you start infringing on the freedom of others. It's a core concept. You would not find a single libertarian who agrees with your statement. They would probably stick to that concept more than any other ideology would.

edent 11y ago
"I am scared to leave my house because you might shoot me." Can a person controlling others with their intimidating behaviour? If so, what's the Libertarian response to that? Libertarianism is the rule of the power of individuals. Which is great if you're strong, skilled, healthy, respected, and/or have access to equipment. For the rest of us, it's a dystopia.
- UK-AL 11y ago
  Well if someone threating to shoot you, then yes obviously someone is infringing on your liberty... so yes there would rules against that.
  - edent 11y ago
    "Threatening? No, sir! I just like walking down the street open-carrying my AK47. And occasionally test firing it at wood-pigeons." Incidentally - who makes the rules against threats? Who enforces them? Seems like we would need a group of people to decide on these rules. But how should we choose those people...?
    - UK-AL 11y ago
      "Threatening? No, sir! I just like walking down the street open-carrying my AK47. And occasionally test firing it at wood-pigeons." - That an excuse, people try to make excuses with the current system to get away with things. It's not exclusive libertarianism. You would get it under any system. "Incidentally - who makes the rules against threats? Who enforces them? Seems like we would need a group of people to decide on these rules. But how should we choose those people...? " There are millions of different versions libertarianism with different solutions. Some with insurance, private police force that work for the insurer. Can't list them all. I personally am a classical liberal, I don't advocate no government just that it should be limited to law, order, military etc
- cgriswald 11y ago
  If you believe the media-derived caricature of any political philosophy, it's a dystopia for most or all.
notahacker 11y ago
> Libertarians definition freedom stops at the point you start infringing on the freedom of others. Virtually all people identifying as libertarians believe in property rights, which by definition are restrictions on the freedom of others to make use of certain things.
- UK-AL 11y ago
  because people who can take your stuff are also infringing on your freedom...
  - notahacker 11y ago
    What right do you have to coerce me into acknowledging the stuff is yours? Or more precisely, how exactly is that combination of precedent, social contract, practical utility and legal and actual force that allows you to claim the right to limit my use of your stuff different from the basis for government agencies claiming the right to impose other limits?
- Synaesthesia 11y ago
  We must distinguish between the American school of libertarianism, which is capitalist in nature, and has nothing to do with European libertarianism, which came first and was always a socialist movement. However for the purposes of this discussion we are referring, of course to the American version.

oldmanjay 11y ago

Do you frequently dictate the stances of those you oppose?