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Is it really even considered hacking if there is no security at all?
by tt44 11y ago
Is it really even considered hacking if there is no security at all?
- lowglow 11y agoI'd say hacking is a lot about discovery, manipulation, and exploitation, but not necessarily fundamentally about security alone.
- tt44 11y agoSeems to just be using the device in its intended manner, but perhaps it wasn't "intended" for random people on the internet to be accessing an open telnet service on the default port on a system connected directly to the public internet.
- jacquesm 11y agoThe way this usually happens is someone decides to create a device, in order to be able to access it and program it they give it an embedded controller listening to some port on a local area network. Next up someone installs a gateway that starts to assign NAT'd or public IPs to devices and boom suddenly that box is now wide open to whoever stumbles upon the IP. This has caused a whole raft of problems with embedded systems that were built before people were more security conscious. The real problem is that the end users are more often than not totally unaware that their stuff is exposed to the world until something bad happens.
- malka 11y agoGiven the Aaron Swartz case, I would say yes.
- brokenWindows 11y agoThe knee-jerk, canned response from most parties erring on the side of Law & Order claims: Even if the door is wide left open, crossing the threshold is still trespassing, if you don't belong on the property. This is why burglars are typically charged with breaking AND entering. Unlawful entry is still a crime one can commit, without breaking open, or otherwise circumventing pro-active security measures. When it comes to the idea of "hacking" we often find our words fail to describe activities with precision. The nuanced distinction some tend to draw between "hacking" and "cracking" is mostly relegated to specialized jargon, community slang, and pedantry. Laymen often do not distinguish between the two.
- erikpukinskis 11y agoI can't find any reference to "unlawful entry" in the law books. There is a Kurt Russell film by that name though. Trespassing is an actual crime, but it does not fit your description, at least in California. Here, you must have an intent to interfere with the owner's property for it to be considered trespassing. If I enter your open door because I want to invite you to a party, or use your restroom, or hang out with your cats and play video games until you come home I have not committed any crime. Well maybe you could get me for stealing water and electricity, but the entry is not a crime. "Breaking and entering" is also not a crime in California. However, if you actually steal something that is burglary, which is a crime, and does not require forced entry.
- mkagenius 11y agoOr if you heard a baby crying inside and the door is unlocked.
- argonaut 11y agoIs it really rape if she didn't resist (but said no)?
- kriro 11y agoA lot of this insecure IoT/vehicle etc. like stuff reminds me a bit of the early days of phreaking. Discovering "secret numbers", using open conference lines and the like. I think mere discovery is in the spirit of hacking since I'd define it as "curious exploration".