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> Oh yeah we had to sacrifice tactile feedback Nonsense. You need tactile feedback while driving. You will not be using the center console while driving. You w

by maratd 11y ago

> Oh yeah we had to sacrifice tactile feedback Nonsense. You need tactile feedback while driving. You will not be using the center console while driving. You will not even be looking at it. All of the stuff you need while driving is tactile. > trying to be a fast car but only really good for 0-60 in a straight line LOL. I sense hurt feelings. > no OBD-2 port as another poster pointed out Why would it need an OBD-2 port when it has an API? http://docs.timdorr.apiary.io/# http://docs.timdorr.apiary.io/# > bad resale value as this article points out Article is wrong. The prices for used vehicles are quite good. Confirm yourself. > literally having your head touch the car roof if you're over five foot eight and sitting in the back Get a Model X if Model S is too small for you. > can you please give us a rational reason except zero tailpipe emissions for buying a Model S over, say, a Mercedes S-class or a BMW 7-series? I'm not a huge fan on the S, prefer the X. 1. Twice the storage of an ICE vehicle. No engine block = FRUNK. 2. Safety. It is the safest vehicle on the road. Period. Because there is no engine block slamming in your face during a front-end collision. 3. I never have to go to a dirty gas station again. I fill up at home. 4. No oil changes. No transmission failures. Fewer moving parts = less maintenance needed. 5. American designed, American built, no $$$ going to questionable oil interests. 6. That center console? Fucking awesome. Enjoy your 8 inch joke. 7. Over-The-Air software updates that actually add useful features. No, I don't need to go to the service center to update my software. LOL! 8. It drives itself? Autopilot! Nice! 9. It parks itself. Even parallel parking. Will even open the garage, drive itself in, and then close the garage after itself. 10. Supercharger network. Free juice all over the country and beyond. Fills up in 20-30 min. I can keep going, but I think you get the gist. > Tesla will even refuse to sell you parts Ok. Ever hear of eBay? > call you talking about industrial espionage, if you try and tinker with their cars Don't fuck with cars that drive themselves. Please. > Seriously, WTF? I wouldn't mind having more control over software updates and generally having more control over the vehicle, but I understand why they made the decisions they did. If you don't, it's because you were never driven in an autonomous vehicle. Tesla FTW.

overgard 11y ago
> Nonsense. You need tactile feedback while driving. You will not be using the center console while driving. You will not even be looking at it. All of the stuff you need while driving is tactile. Right, because nobody has ever adjusted the air conditioning or radio while driving...
- maratd 11y ago
  > Right, because nobody has ever adjusted the air conditioning or radio while driving... There's a button on the wheel you press for voice commands ...
  - smsm42 11y ago
    And a NLP interface there? Or I'd have to remember which magic incantation makes it colder and pronounce it with the right accent (woe is me if I'm not native English speaker)? Voice interfaces suck for these things, if all you need is to do a small movement by you hand, and instead you have to get into a conversation with a dumb robot.
tclmeelmo 11y ago
> > trying to be a fast car but only really good for 0-60 in a straight line > LOL. I sense hurt feelings. A Model S weighs something like 4700lbs, depending on battery? I suppose it depends on one's definition of "fast car", but I personally consider more than straight line performance, and lighter cars have a distinct advantage. I agree with Lotus's Colin Chapman: "performance through low weight". > > no OBD-2 port as another poster pointed out > Why would it need an OBD-2 port when it has an API? http://docs.timdorr.apiary.io/# http://docs.timdorr.apiary.io/# Because OBD-2 is a standard with an entire ecosystem built around it. > 2. Safety. It is the safest vehicle on the road. Period. Because there is no engine block slamming in your face during a front-end collision. That is an advantage (also, it's on the heavy side and mass helps a lot) and it certainly tests well in crashes. IIHS statistics for injury and medical payments don't however support your statement that it is the "safest vehicle on the road". Porsche's 911 and Boxster have lower Personal Injury Claim frequencies (and the Boxster doesn't even have a roof!). > 4. No oil changes. No transmission failures. Fewer moving parts = less maintenance needed. There might be less maintenance needed on some of the drivetrain leading to a more convenient service interval, but there still is maintenance (tires, brakes, brake fluid, HVAC, battery, suspension, steering, etc.) to be done, and the longer service interval might make it more likely for problems to increase in severity before they're noticed. It's kind of a moot point, modern cars have overall excellent reliability on the drivetrain; luxury cars tend to have problems with the electrical system and associated accessories, especially after the lease period is up, and Tesla is no different. > 5. American designed, American built, no $$$ going to questionable oil interests. Overall design and final assembly, perhaps, but are you saying that the subsystem vendors are American too, to some degree larger than other manufacturers? > 10. Supercharger network. Free juice all over the country and beyond. Fills up in 20-30 min. It's not free, it's incorporated into the cost of the purchase.
- maratd 11y ago
  > A Model S weighs something like 4700lbs, depending on battery? I suppose it depends on one's definition of "fast car" What? Fast means fast. The Model S goes fast. It has better performance than cars it competes with, like BMW 5/7 series, etc. Is it the fastest car? No. And why would it need to be? It's a luxury sedan, not a race car. > Because OBD-2 is a standard with an entire ecosystem built around it. It's an absolutely horrible standard and that entire ecosystem should die. Every car should have an open API that is easily accessible using any computer, rather than specialized equipment. > IIHS statistics for injury and medical payments don't however support your statement that it is the "safest vehicle on the road". Has anyone actually ever died in a Tesla? I believe one person did. http://electrek.co/2015/12/22/man-dies-tesla-model-s-crash-dump-truck-first-death/ http://electrek.co/2015/12/22/man-dies-tesla-model-s-crash-d... That was a couple of months ago. He was hit by a dump truck. > luxury cars tend to have problems with the electrical system and associated accessories, especially after the lease period is up, and Tesla is no different. I'll give you that one. > but are you saying that the subsystem vendors are American too, to some degree larger than other manufacturers? Yes. Because Elon Musk is pulling a Henry Ford. They're more vertically integrated than any other car company. I'm not sure that's a good thing ... but it does support my point. > It's not free, it's incorporated into the cost of the purchase. Well, yeah. Someone has to pay for it to get built and to maintain it. It's free in the sense that I don't have to explicitly pay for it. It's just included and I can use it as much as I want. The Model S and Model X are excellent cars. Not perfect, but excellent. There's a reason they're eating up the entire luxury market. http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/02/06/can-you-guess-2015s-top-selling-large-luxury-car-i.aspx http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/02/06/can-you-gue...
vdnkh 11y ago
Obvious shill
conceit 11y ago
> 5. American designed, American built, no $$$ going to questionable oil interests. I don't see what that has to do with America, except for 'Murica f'yeah > 7. Over-The-Air software updates that actually add useful features. No, I don't need to go to the service center to update my software. LOL! ROFL > 8. It drives itself? Autopilot! Nice! Don't many cars have that to the limited degree already allowed by law?
- maratd 11y ago
  > I don't see what that has to do with America, except for 'Murica f'yeah I enjoy buying locally built products when possible, especially when those products are superior to anything else available. > ROFL Get off the floor and tell me what's so funny. > Don't many cars have that to the limited degree already allowed by law? No. Model S and Model X are the only cars available that drive themselves. Some other cars have cruise control that will stay within the lane, but it won't change lanes, break, or accelerate based on traffic conditions.
  - conceit 11y ago
    Search "hack car freeway wifi" in the search engine of your choice. Granted, not a Tesla, but is that only a matter of time and willpower or actually supporting your argument?
    - maratd 11y ago
      > Granted, not a Tesla, but is that only a matter of time and willpower or actually supporting your argument? Supporting my argument. Tesla sits on an encrypted VPN, good luck with that. Maybe if you break into Tesla HQ? You're better off going after the bluetooth (the key fobs/car are bluetooth) or NFC (the key fobs/car have NFC in case batteries die in fobs). There's also an ethernet port of sorts in the vehicle, although it has been disconnected with latest firmware. Anyway, when it comes to Tesla, you'll have better chances of hacking into it with physical access. You are definitely not getting access to my car with "wifi".
gambiting 11y ago
I guess you never had to adjust the temperature while driving? The interface for doing that in the Tesla is horrible, those things should have never been put on a touchscreen.
Too 11y ago
> Why would it need an OBD-2 port when it has an API? > http://docs.timdorr.apiary.io/# http://docs.timdorr.apiary.io/# Why would any web site support HTTP when you can use their proprietary protocol, only unofficially documented by some random dude by reverse engineering.

by maratd 11y ago

overgard 11y ago

> Nonsense. You need tactile feedback while driving. You will not be using the center console while driving. You will not even be looking at it. All of the stuff you need while driving is tactile. Right, because nobody has ever adjusted the air conditioning or radio while driving...

maratd 11y ago
> Right, because nobody has ever adjusted the air conditioning or radio while driving... There's a button on the wheel you press for voice commands ...
- smsm42 11y ago
  And a NLP interface there? Or I'd have to remember which magic incantation makes it colder and pronounce it with the right accent (woe is me if I'm not native English speaker)? Voice interfaces suck for these things, if all you need is to do a small movement by you hand, and instead you have to get into a conversation with a dumb robot.

tclmeelmo 11y ago

> > trying to be a fast car but only really good for 0-60 in a straight line > LOL. I sense hurt feelings. A Model S weighs something like 4700lbs, depending on battery? I suppose it depends on one's definition of "fast car", but I personally consider more than straight line performance, and lighter cars have a distinct advantage. I agree with Lotus's Colin Chapman: "performance through low weight". > > no OBD-2 port as another poster pointed out > Why would it need an OBD-2 port when it has an API? http://docs.timdorr.apiary.io/# http://docs.timdorr.apiary.io/# Because OBD-2 is a standard with an entire ecosystem built around it. > 2. Safety. It is the safest vehicle on the road. Period. Because there is no engine block slamming in your face during a front-end collision. That is an advantage (also, it's on the heavy side and mass helps a lot) and it certainly tests well in crashes. IIHS statistics for injury and medical payments don't however support your statement that it is the "safest vehicle on the road". Porsche's 911 and Boxster have lower Personal Injury Claim frequencies (and the Boxster doesn't even have a roof!). > 4. No oil changes. No transmission failures. Fewer moving parts = less maintenance needed. There might be less maintenance needed on some of the drivetrain leading to a more convenient service interval, but there still is maintenance (tires, brakes, brake fluid, HVAC, battery, suspension, steering, etc.) to be done, and the longer service interval might make it more likely for problems to increase in severity before they're noticed. It's kind of a moot point, modern cars have overall excellent reliability on the drivetrain; luxury cars tend to have problems with the electrical system and associated accessories, especially after the lease period is up, and Tesla is no different. > 5. American designed, American built, no $$$ going to questionable oil interests. Overall design and final assembly, perhaps, but are you saying that the subsystem vendors are American too, to some degree larger than other manufacturers? > 10. Supercharger network. Free juice all over the country and beyond. Fills up in 20-30 min. It's not free, it's incorporated into the cost of the purchase.

maratd 11y ago
> A Model S weighs something like 4700lbs, depending on battery? I suppose it depends on one's definition of "fast car" What? Fast means fast. The Model S goes fast. It has better performance than cars it competes with, like BMW 5/7 series, etc. Is it the fastest car? No. And why would it need to be? It's a luxury sedan, not a race car. > Because OBD-2 is a standard with an entire ecosystem built around it. It's an absolutely horrible standard and that entire ecosystem should die. Every car should have an open API that is easily accessible using any computer, rather than specialized equipment. > IIHS statistics for injury and medical payments don't however support your statement that it is the "safest vehicle on the road". Has anyone actually ever died in a Tesla? I believe one person did. http://electrek.co/2015/12/22/man-dies-tesla-model-s-crash-dump-truck-first-death/ http://electrek.co/2015/12/22/man-dies-tesla-model-s-crash-d... That was a couple of months ago. He was hit by a dump truck. > luxury cars tend to have problems with the electrical system and associated accessories, especially after the lease period is up, and Tesla is no different. I'll give you that one. > but are you saying that the subsystem vendors are American too, to some degree larger than other manufacturers? Yes. Because Elon Musk is pulling a Henry Ford. They're more vertically integrated than any other car company. I'm not sure that's a good thing ... but it does support my point. > It's not free, it's incorporated into the cost of the purchase. Well, yeah. Someone has to pay for it to get built and to maintain it. It's free in the sense that I don't have to explicitly pay for it. It's just included and I can use it as much as I want. The Model S and Model X are excellent cars. Not perfect, but excellent. There's a reason they're eating up the entire luxury market. http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/02/06/can-you-guess-2015s-top-selling-large-luxury-car-i.aspx http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/02/06/can-you-gue...

vdnkh 11y ago

Obvious shill

conceit 11y ago

> 5. American designed, American built, no $$$ going to questionable oil interests. I don't see what that has to do with America, except for 'Murica f'yeah > 7. Over-The-Air software updates that actually add useful features. No, I don't need to go to the service center to update my software. LOL! ROFL > 8. It drives itself? Autopilot! Nice! Don't many cars have that to the limited degree already allowed by law?

maratd 11y ago
> I don't see what that has to do with America, except for 'Murica f'yeah I enjoy buying locally built products when possible, especially when those products are superior to anything else available. > ROFL Get off the floor and tell me what's so funny. > Don't many cars have that to the limited degree already allowed by law? No. Model S and Model X are the only cars available that drive themselves. Some other cars have cruise control that will stay within the lane, but it won't change lanes, break, or accelerate based on traffic conditions.
- conceit 11y ago
  Search "hack car freeway wifi" in the search engine of your choice. Granted, not a Tesla, but is that only a matter of time and willpower or actually supporting your argument?
  - maratd 11y ago
    > Granted, not a Tesla, but is that only a matter of time and willpower or actually supporting your argument? Supporting my argument. Tesla sits on an encrypted VPN, good luck with that. Maybe if you break into Tesla HQ? You're better off going after the bluetooth (the key fobs/car are bluetooth) or NFC (the key fobs/car have NFC in case batteries die in fobs). There's also an ethernet port of sorts in the vehicle, although it has been disconnected with latest firmware. Anyway, when it comes to Tesla, you'll have better chances of hacking into it with physical access. You are definitely not getting access to my car with "wifi".

gambiting 11y ago

I guess you never had to adjust the temperature while driving? The interface for doing that in the Tesla is horrible, those things should have never been put on a touchscreen.

Too 11y ago

> Why would it need an OBD-2 port when it has an API? > http://docs.timdorr.apiary.io/# http://docs.timdorr.apiary.io/# Why would any web site support HTTP when you can use their proprietary protocol, only unofficially documented by some random dude by reverse engineering.