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Already? Why? Community building is a long term thing, not something you get through in a few months or so. I mean yeah, it won't be Product Hunt 2.0 right o

by CM30 11y ago

Already? Why? Community building is a long term thing, not something you get through in a few months or so. I mean yeah, it won't be Product Hunt 2.0 right off the bat, but you need to give it more time than this.

orliesaurus 11y ago
I agree, lobste.rs (which is like, for those who don't know, a more focused version of hackernews) didn't give up after a couple of months and look where they are now! healthy community of highly tech focused news & commentary.
- harlanlewis 11y ago
  The ~23 items on the lobste.rs home page have a total of 18 comments.
  - nailer 11y ago
    Generally things that clone existing things don't replace them. lobte.rs is too close to HN in the same way OpenHunt is too close to PH.
  - tptacek 11y ago
    It's really too bad. I spent a couple minutes checking Lobste.rs out again after reading this comment, and that site is very nicely done.
    - sandGorgon 11y ago
      the site is fairly opinionated - for example i wanted to contribute a pull for adding an oauth provider to lobsters. If you think about how lobsters works and their moderation log [1] and invite audit [2], it seems almost beautifully designed for "hacker" identity. But jcs doesnt want it. [1] https://lobste.rs/moderations https://lobste.rs/moderations [2] https://lobste.rs/u https://lobste.rs/u
  - ShinyCyril 11y ago
    For those interested, I started compiling a list of HN-style news aggregators: https://github.com/mikeanthonywild/hacker-news-for-x https://github.com/mikeanthonywild/hacker-news-for-x. I really love this sort of format for niche communities, but many of them lack sufficient exposure!
- alain94040 11y ago
  Here's one [legally crazy] idea: there are some known great commenters here on HN. They write thoughtful comments. I'd think they would be open to having their good comments reposted on another high-quality community. So, could lobste.rs ask a few top HN commenters for the permission to cross-post their comments from HN? Legally, it would be fine: lobster.rs would get a license, the original poster does own copyright. It's also "clean", if it's done in a manual, selective way. And boom, you get higher quality comments "for free". Would that be completely unfair to HN?
  - nostrademons 11y ago
    It doesn't work unless everyone moves over, and then you basically have a mirrored copy of HN. Imagine that I was one of those cross-posted commenters, and you were not. The comment, as it would show up on lobsters.rs, would start "It doesn't work unless everyone moves over." Uh...what doesn't work? Moves over to where? My comment makes zero sense without the thread context...which is the case with most of my comments. Check out /threads?user=<username> or /newcomments - you can sometimes find interesting discussions that way, but by themselves, the comments are useless.
jonas21 11y ago
If you disagree with their decision, you're welcome to volunteer to take OpenHunt over yourself. It sounds like they'd be happy to find someone who would be willing to do so.
- CM30 11y ago
  If I didn't have various community websites that I need to spend more time working on, I'd actually do that. But for now, it needs someone who's got the time to run it, market it, add content, etc, and I'm not that person. Maybe they could try selling it or something? Or seeing if someone from an admin or promotion site would be willing to take it over?
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mrharrison 11y ago
I agree this at least a one-year commitment. Please, somebody start this back up again. I also don't have the time, otherwise I would.
Reedx 11y ago
It had a great start[1], but died off quickly[2]. If that strong launch and big influx of users fell off (almost entirely it seems), what chance does it have of slowly reversing itself? Momentum is vital for stuff like this. No one wants to contribute to an echo chamber. It's not very realistic that it'd regain momentum without major changes or a big sustained push from somewhere. That said, it's not impossible that it could revive, but it's really unlikely. And once such a drop off has occurred, it's hard to stay motivated. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10759879 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10759879 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10934465 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10934465

by CM30 11y ago

orliesaurus 11y ago

I agree, lobste.rs (which is like, for those who don't know, a more focused version of hackernews) didn't give up after a couple of months and look where they are now! healthy community of highly tech focused news & commentary.

harlanlewis 11y ago
The ~23 items on the lobste.rs home page have a total of 18 comments.
- nailer 11y ago
  Generally things that clone existing things don't replace them. lobte.rs is too close to HN in the same way OpenHunt is too close to PH.
- tptacek 11y ago
  It's really too bad. I spent a couple minutes checking Lobste.rs out again after reading this comment, and that site is very nicely done.
  - sandGorgon 11y ago
    the site is fairly opinionated - for example i wanted to contribute a pull for adding an oauth provider to lobsters. If you think about how lobsters works and their moderation log [1] and invite audit [2], it seems almost beautifully designed for "hacker" identity. But jcs doesnt want it. [1] https://lobste.rs/moderations https://lobste.rs/moderations [2] https://lobste.rs/u https://lobste.rs/u
- ShinyCyril 11y ago
  For those interested, I started compiling a list of HN-style news aggregators: https://github.com/mikeanthonywild/hacker-news-for-x https://github.com/mikeanthonywild/hacker-news-for-x. I really love this sort of format for niche communities, but many of them lack sufficient exposure!
alain94040 11y ago
Here's one [legally crazy] idea: there are some known great commenters here on HN. They write thoughtful comments. I'd think they would be open to having their good comments reposted on another high-quality community. So, could lobste.rs ask a few top HN commenters for the permission to cross-post their comments from HN? Legally, it would be fine: lobster.rs would get a license, the original poster does own copyright. It's also "clean", if it's done in a manual, selective way. And boom, you get higher quality comments "for free". Would that be completely unfair to HN?
- nostrademons 11y ago
  It doesn't work unless everyone moves over, and then you basically have a mirrored copy of HN. Imagine that I was one of those cross-posted commenters, and you were not. The comment, as it would show up on lobsters.rs, would start "It doesn't work unless everyone moves over." Uh...what doesn't work? Moves over to where? My comment makes zero sense without the thread context...which is the case with most of my comments. Check out /threads?user=<username> or /newcomments - you can sometimes find interesting discussions that way, but by themselves, the comments are useless.

jonas21 11y ago

If you disagree with their decision, you're welcome to volunteer to take OpenHunt over yourself. It sounds like they'd be happy to find someone who would be willing to do so.

CM30 11y ago
If I didn't have various community websites that I need to spend more time working on, I'd actually do that. But for now, it needs someone who's got the time to run it, market it, add content, etc, and I'm not that person. Maybe they could try selling it or something? Or seeing if someone from an admin or promotion site would be willing to take it over?

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mrharrison 11y ago

I agree this at least a one-year commitment. Please, somebody start this back up again. I also don't have the time, otherwise I would.

Reedx 11y ago

It had a great start[1], but died off quickly[2]. If that strong launch and big influx of users fell off (almost entirely it seems), what chance does it have of slowly reversing itself? Momentum is vital for stuff like this. No one wants to contribute to an echo chamber. It's not very realistic that it'd regain momentum without major changes or a big sustained push from somewhere. That said, it's not impossible that it could revive, but it's really unlikely. And once such a drop off has occurred, it's hard to stay motivated. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10759879 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10759879 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10934465 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10934465