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> And it makes deportation literally impossible. Why? The argument is about giving them (taxpayer funded) court appointed lawyers. The worst that can happen he

> And it makes deportation literally impossible. Why? The argument is about giving them (taxpayer funded) court appointed lawyers. The worst that can happen here is that someone gets a lawyer. Meh. Sure, misrepresentation of age might be a problem as far as deportation etc are concerned, but that's completely orthogonal to what's being discussed here.

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DanBC 11y ago
(Now deleted parent post (that Manishearth replies to) claimed large numbers of adults lie about their age and claim to be children in order to get advantageous treatment. > We have a flood of unaccompanied 9 years old with beards. It's a bit more complicated than that. Many children, (genuinely children, under 16) declare themselves to be adults. They do this because if they are identified as children they are taken to camps. http://www.irinnews.org/analysis/2015/07/27 http://www.irinnews.org/analysis/2015/07/27 > The youthfulness of the faces is striking. Many fled Eritrea to avoid being conscripted into indefinite military service, but none will admit to being under 18 for fear the authorities will place them in a centre for unaccompanied migrant children, dashing their hopes of reaching northern Europe. > The EU’s Dublin Regulation means that once fingerprinted in Italy, they would have to remain in the country while their asylum claims are being processed or risk being returned there. Countries in northern Europe, however, may hold better job potential, better asylum odds or even the chance of being reunited with family members. The camps are not pleasant. There is considerable abuse that happens in the detention centres. http://www.irinnews.org/report/100741/migrant-detention-abuse-can-scar-children-life http://www.irinnews.org/report/100741/migrant-detention-abus...
- throw321424 11y ago
  Original poster here. Those links are from last year, before the crisis started. Now situation is very different. Anyway, I am not going to argue here, too many down votes. My point is irrelevant, I just live in Piraeus and my relatives work with refugees.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    > Now situation is very different. No, children are still lying about their age to avoid being detained in camps. I'm not trying to suggest that there aren't any adults also lying about their age, but it's a bit more complicated than you suggest, and it's not true to suggest that child migrants get an easy ride. They do not.
  - xg15 11y ago
    With all due respect, I don't see how that argument made sense even before. Yes, court has to follow due process, but that doesn't mean you can throw your brain out. Call an expert witness and have the age determined, if you must. In murder cases, courts are expected to find out whether a killing was intentional or not and, if it was, whether the reasons were justifiable (self-defense). How can this be no problem, yet disproving the claim of a bulky, bearded man that he is 9 years old is impossible?

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DanBC 11y ago

(Now deleted parent post (that Manishearth replies to) claimed large numbers of adults lie about their age and claim to be children in order to get advantageous treatment. > We have a flood of unaccompanied 9 years old with beards. It's a bit more complicated than that. Many children, (genuinely children, under 16) declare themselves to be adults. They do this because if they are identified as children they are taken to camps. http://www.irinnews.org/analysis/2015/07/27 http://www.irinnews.org/analysis/2015/07/27 > The youthfulness of the faces is striking. Many fled Eritrea to avoid being conscripted into indefinite military service, but none will admit to being under 18 for fear the authorities will place them in a centre for unaccompanied migrant children, dashing their hopes of reaching northern Europe. > The EU’s Dublin Regulation means that once fingerprinted in Italy, they would have to remain in the country while their asylum claims are being processed or risk being returned there. Countries in northern Europe, however, may hold better job potential, better asylum odds or even the chance of being reunited with family members. The camps are not pleasant. There is considerable abuse that happens in the detention centres. http://www.irinnews.org/report/100741/migrant-detention-abuse-can-scar-children-life http://www.irinnews.org/report/100741/migrant-detention-abus...

throw321424 11y ago
Original poster here. Those links are from last year, before the crisis started. Now situation is very different. Anyway, I am not going to argue here, too many down votes. My point is irrelevant, I just live in Piraeus and my relatives work with refugees.
- DanBC 11y ago
  > Now situation is very different. No, children are still lying about their age to avoid being detained in camps. I'm not trying to suggest that there aren't any adults also lying about their age, but it's a bit more complicated than you suggest, and it's not true to suggest that child migrants get an easy ride. They do not.
- xg15 11y ago
  With all due respect, I don't see how that argument made sense even before. Yes, court has to follow due process, but that doesn't mean you can throw your brain out. Call an expert witness and have the age determined, if you must. In murder cases, courts are expected to find out whether a killing was intentional or not and, if it was, whether the reasons were justifiable (self-defense). How can this be no problem, yet disproving the claim of a bulky, bearded man that he is 9 years old is impossible?