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Perhaps there is an argument that you're entitled to a relatively stable set of neighbors, so that you can get to know them and learn which ones to avoid. But

Perhaps there is an argument that you're entitled to a relatively stable set of neighbors, so that you can get to know them and learn which ones to avoid. But you certainly don't get to choose your neighbors. The US went down that path in the 50s: massive and hugely oppressive racial segregation whose echoes are still being felt. You are not entitled to decide who does and doesn't walk near your property, only on your property. I don't feel comfortable sharing a country with Trump supporters, but that doesn't mean I get to prevent them from finding housing.

JohnTHaller 11y ago
There is an argument that you're allowed to have a stable set of neighbors. We made it and codified it into law which says that you can't do short term rentals within long term rental units. Even if your lease says it's ok, it's still against the law. That's why all those whole unit apartment rentals you see in NYC are illegal unless the person offering it has a bed and breakfast license for the space. AirBnB won't tell you that your rental is illegal even though they know it is. The illegal whole apartment rentals is how they get most of their revenue in NYC.
hkmurakami 11y ago
Isn't that how NYC co-ops work?
- superuser2 11y ago
  The tenants do not get the right to pick their neighbors simply by living in a building, but by being joint members of a corporation which owns the building. If you live in a plain old apartment building, your landlord can rent neighboring units to whomever he wants.
  - mooreds 11y ago
    > your landlord can rent neighboring units to whomever he wants ... As long as he complies with existing federal, state and local laws, as well as existing HOA regulations, you as a neighbor don't have any property rights preventing a rental. Apartments seems to be a great way for AirBnB and hosts to make buckets of money but then they are creating de facto hotels.
eru 11y ago
> The US went down that path in the 50s: massive and hugely oppressive racial segregation whose echoes are still being felt. Zoning is still essentially segregation. (Eg keeping the multi-family homes for `poor' people away from the single family houses.)

JohnTHaller 11y ago

There is an argument that you're allowed to have a stable set of neighbors. We made it and codified it into law which says that you can't do short term rentals within long term rental units. Even if your lease says it's ok, it's still against the law. That's why all those whole unit apartment rentals you see in NYC are illegal unless the person offering it has a bed and breakfast license for the space. AirBnB won't tell you that your rental is illegal even though they know it is. The illegal whole apartment rentals is how they get most of their revenue in NYC.

hkmurakami 11y ago

Isn't that how NYC co-ops work?

superuser2 11y ago
The tenants do not get the right to pick their neighbors simply by living in a building, but by being joint members of a corporation which owns the building. If you live in a plain old apartment building, your landlord can rent neighboring units to whomever he wants.
- mooreds 11y ago
  > your landlord can rent neighboring units to whomever he wants ... As long as he complies with existing federal, state and local laws, as well as existing HOA regulations, you as a neighbor don't have any property rights preventing a rental. Apartments seems to be a great way for AirBnB and hosts to make buckets of money but then they are creating de facto hotels.

eru 11y ago

> The US went down that path in the 50s: massive and hugely oppressive racial segregation whose echoes are still being felt. Zoning is still essentially segregation. (Eg keeping the multi-family homes for `poor' people away from the single family houses.)