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I too prefer to work in c++ (or c#). But I work in java too, such as when I'm working on android. I never fire up Android Studio and sigh about the lack of re

by dave2000 11y ago

I too prefer to work in c++ (or c#). But I work in java too, such as when I'm working on android. I never fire up Android Studio and sigh about the lack of respect random internet twats would give me if only they knew what I was doing. As long as I get paid at the end of the month it's all good!

overgard 11y ago
> I never fire up Android Studio and sigh about the lack of respect random internet twats would give me if only they knew what I was doing. You're painting this like sticking up for your profession is only for glory boys that want attention. People generally treat you like you expect to be treated, and when programmers pretend like our status doesn't matter we make things worse for all of us, collectively. To quote the Simpsons, "this is why we can't have nice things". > As long as I get paid at the end of the month it's all good! Sure, but your pay is largely based on the status of your profession. I'm not asking for glory, but my personal opinion is that programming is a high skill activity with a large amount of business value that takes a long time to master. People are free to disagree, but it's not in my interests to participate in a community (the Java EE community, in this instance) that doesn't share that perspective.
- dave2000 11y ago
  Some programming is higher skill than others. A lot of web development isn't that well paid because html hairdressing is easier than, say, working on c++ compilers, or realtime embedded physics/maths, or whatever. I think you have an odd view of business if you think that the pay you'd get is dependent on its status. For one thing, how do you determine its status? Some comment on a blog doesn't really cut it (who cares?). (Likewise, I'm not sure what form "sticking up for your profession" takes. Writing a comment in response to the blog?). I understand all manner of illegal activities - drug dealing, for example - manage to make the perpetrators a lot of money. Perhaps they're counteracting the disdain many people feel for them by posting on blogs? Pay comes from a reward for doing work for people who will then use your work to make them more money. I've recently done work for banks and newspapers and they've never specified which language to use and wouldn't pay any less if they discovered what language I used. If you told people that there are a zillion shitty android apps written by newbie java developers who'd never programmed before and were written in a few days of their spare time i doubt many people would be surprised and it's clearly had no impact on the pay you'll receive as a competent java developer who keeps up with all the exciting frameworks.

overgard 11y ago

> I never fire up Android Studio and sigh about the lack of respect random internet twats would give me if only they knew what I was doing. You're painting this like sticking up for your profession is only for glory boys that want attention. People generally treat you like you expect to be treated, and when programmers pretend like our status doesn't matter we make things worse for all of us, collectively. To quote the Simpsons, "this is why we can't have nice things". > As long as I get paid at the end of the month it's all good! Sure, but your pay is largely based on the status of your profession. I'm not asking for glory, but my personal opinion is that programming is a high skill activity with a large amount of business value that takes a long time to master. People are free to disagree, but it's not in my interests to participate in a community (the Java EE community, in this instance) that doesn't share that perspective.

dave2000 11y ago
Some programming is higher skill than others. A lot of web development isn't that well paid because html hairdressing is easier than, say, working on c++ compilers, or realtime embedded physics/maths, or whatever. I think you have an odd view of business if you think that the pay you'd get is dependent on its status. For one thing, how do you determine its status? Some comment on a blog doesn't really cut it (who cares?). (Likewise, I'm not sure what form "sticking up for your profession" takes. Writing a comment in response to the blog?). I understand all manner of illegal activities - drug dealing, for example - manage to make the perpetrators a lot of money. Perhaps they're counteracting the disdain many people feel for them by posting on blogs? Pay comes from a reward for doing work for people who will then use your work to make them more money. I've recently done work for banks and newspapers and they've never specified which language to use and wouldn't pay any less if they discovered what language I used. If you told people that there are a zillion shitty android apps written by newbie java developers who'd never programmed before and were written in a few days of their spare time i doubt many people would be surprised and it's clearly had no impact on the pay you'll receive as a competent java developer who keeps up with all the exciting frameworks.