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If a homosexual bigot wants to discriminate against christians, well, that's not great but up to them. When the state wants to discriminate against christians,

If a homosexual bigot wants to discriminate against christians, well, that's not great but up to them. When the state wants to discriminate against christians, that's worse, especially since "right to family life" is a human right. Oh wait, that's already happening and it's got a court ruling backing it: http://www.wsj.com/articles/court-rules-baker-cant-refuse-to-make-wedding-cake-for-gay-couple-1439506296 http://www.wsj.com/articles/court-rules-baker-cant-refuse-to...

jazzyk 11y ago
No, the ruling is about treating every human being equally. Regardless of their religion, skin color, facial features, hair color, etc. Who is the "homosexual bigot" in your example? The judge practicing the law of the country ? Per U.S. Declaration of Independence, "All men are created equal".
- CalRobert 11y ago
  Comments like the last few are a great reminder of why maybe the government shouldn't be prescribing a particular sort of relationship as ideal. If you don't like gay marriage, that's great, don't get one! Go to a church that doesn't recognize them! If you do like gay marriage, cool - go get one! Either way, call yourself married! Or not! Fortunately the government can recognize things like shared decision making, inheritance, property ownership, etc. without having to recognize that some people held a ceremony and a party and others didn't.
- marcoperaza 11y ago
  You can only have equality before the law. The civil rights laws from the 60s were only justified due to the extraordinary nature of systemic and pervasive discrimination, which state governments encouraged and mandated since the end of slavery, in the South towards Black Americans. Unfortunately, what was then viewed as an extraordinary measure for an extraordinary situation, has now been expanded to every group imaginable and is now being used as a tool of social triumphalism. There is no crisis where gay couples are unable to find wedding bakers and photographers willing to serve them. I personally have no problem with homosexuality and gay marriage. But someone with religious convictions against it, should not be compelled to be involved. It's totally wrong to force a devout Christian photographer to participate in a gay wedding if he is opposed. What entitles you to his labor?
  - DanBC 11y ago
    > There is no crisis where gay couples are unable to find wedding bakers and photographers willing to serve them. ...partly because laws were introduced to prevent discrimination by people offering commercial services.
    - marcoperaza 11y ago
      I don't think this is the case. Social acceptance has preceded these laws; not the other way around.

jazzyk 11y ago

No, the ruling is about treating every human being equally. Regardless of their religion, skin color, facial features, hair color, etc. Who is the "homosexual bigot" in your example? The judge practicing the law of the country ? Per U.S. Declaration of Independence, "All men are created equal".

CalRobert 11y ago
Comments like the last few are a great reminder of why maybe the government shouldn't be prescribing a particular sort of relationship as ideal. If you don't like gay marriage, that's great, don't get one! Go to a church that doesn't recognize them! If you do like gay marriage, cool - go get one! Either way, call yourself married! Or not! Fortunately the government can recognize things like shared decision making, inheritance, property ownership, etc. without having to recognize that some people held a ceremony and a party and others didn't.
marcoperaza 11y ago
You can only have equality before the law. The civil rights laws from the 60s were only justified due to the extraordinary nature of systemic and pervasive discrimination, which state governments encouraged and mandated since the end of slavery, in the South towards Black Americans. Unfortunately, what was then viewed as an extraordinary measure for an extraordinary situation, has now been expanded to every group imaginable and is now being used as a tool of social triumphalism. There is no crisis where gay couples are unable to find wedding bakers and photographers willing to serve them. I personally have no problem with homosexuality and gay marriage. But someone with religious convictions against it, should not be compelled to be involved. It's totally wrong to force a devout Christian photographer to participate in a gay wedding if he is opposed. What entitles you to his labor?
- DanBC 11y ago
  > There is no crisis where gay couples are unable to find wedding bakers and photographers willing to serve them. ...partly because laws were introduced to prevent discrimination by people offering commercial services.
  - marcoperaza 11y ago
    I don't think this is the case. Social acceptance has preceded these laws; not the other way around.