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Really, yours is the only comment that should be made on the article (and most of the article itself shouldn't have been written either, since the author didn't

Really, yours is the only comment that should be made on the article (and most of the article itself shouldn't have been written either, since the author didn't seem to care to find a Mexican to interview). The only thing relevant in any PC incident is what actual people from the possibly-offended group actually think and feel. It behooves the rest of us to just shut the hell up.

gherkin0 11y ago
We live in a liberal society, and neither a particular group nor "the rest of us" should be expected to "shut the hell up."
- colanderman 11y ago
  I didn't say we are expected to, I said it behooves us to. Anyone who argues about the PC-ness of some action related to group X without actually asking anyone from group X about it is doing nothing but talking out of their ass. (How could they do otherwise, without the cultural knowledge that comes only from being part of group X?) If they wish not to look like an uninformed idiot, it behooves them to shut up until they know what an actual person from group X thinks. Anything else is pretentious.
lazaroclapp 11y ago
Well, I don't claim to speak for all Mexicans, though. Much less for Mexican-Americans, who might have a stronger reaction to this sort of thing after decades of considering themselves American but having Anglo-Americans be "oh, so, aren't you one of those foreign peoples with the funny hats?". So just interviewing me and having me be "oh, if it's just wearing sombreros it might be fine" is hardly comprehensive. But I think what matters, in addition to (and co-varying with) how the affected minority feels, is the attitude of the people doing this. There is a fine but still relatively objective line between a party that celebrates Mexican culture, one that mocks it, and one that does neither. Also, even if you think you are in the third or first case, if someone comes to you and tells you that they feel you have done the second, how you react to that is important.
- colanderman 11y ago
  Right. But even talking to one Mexican is better than saying "well, I talked to a Dominican, a Costa Rican, and a Guatemalan, because they speak the same language as people who wear sombreros". That's ridiculous.

gherkin0 11y ago

We live in a liberal society, and neither a particular group nor "the rest of us" should be expected to "shut the hell up."

colanderman 11y ago
I didn't say we are expected to, I said it behooves us to. Anyone who argues about the PC-ness of some action related to group X without actually asking anyone from group X about it is doing nothing but talking out of their ass. (How could they do otherwise, without the cultural knowledge that comes only from being part of group X?) If they wish not to look like an uninformed idiot, it behooves them to shut up until they know what an actual person from group X thinks. Anything else is pretentious.

lazaroclapp 11y ago

Well, I don't claim to speak for all Mexicans, though. Much less for Mexican-Americans, who might have a stronger reaction to this sort of thing after decades of considering themselves American but having Anglo-Americans be "oh, so, aren't you one of those foreign peoples with the funny hats?". So just interviewing me and having me be "oh, if it's just wearing sombreros it might be fine" is hardly comprehensive. But I think what matters, in addition to (and co-varying with) how the affected minority feels, is the attitude of the people doing this. There is a fine but still relatively objective line between a party that celebrates Mexican culture, one that mocks it, and one that does neither. Also, even if you think you are in the third or first case, if someone comes to you and tells you that they feel you have done the second, how you react to that is important.

colanderman 11y ago
Right. But even talking to one Mexican is better than saying "well, I talked to a Dominican, a Costa Rican, and a Guatemalan, because they speak the same language as people who wear sombreros". That's ridiculous.