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>Also, if this was so easy to find then why didn't the government find it when responding to the FOIA request? They didn't ask "where is content about protecti

by ikeboy 11y ago

>Also, if this was so easy to find then why didn't the government find it when responding to the FOIA request? They didn't ask "where is content about protecting phones to be found?"

AnthonyMouse 11y ago
Hence TFA: > And that's part of the problem with the FOIA process. It's something of a guessing game, where if you don't guess exactly the proper way to phrase what you want, they'll just come back with a no responsive documents response. If a private citizen responded to a subpoena the same way the government responds to FOIA requests they would be charged with contempt.
- ikeboy 11y ago
  >If a private citizen responded to a subpoena the same way the government responds to FOIA requests they would be charged with contempt. Subpoenas need to specify exactly what they want as well. Not sure what you're getting at here.
  - AnthonyMouse 11y ago
    > Subpoenas need to specify exactly what they want as well. Not sure what you're getting at here. What I'm getting at is if a private citizen responded to a subpoena the same way the government responds to FOIA requests they would be charged with contempt.
- mikestew 11y ago
  When did you quit beating your wife? The author didn't, AFAICT, post the FOIA request. But I'll have to assume it was along the lines of "when did you delete the page that recommends users encrypt their phones?" With those assumptions, the FBI's response might not be helpful, but I don't think it's out of line or worthy of outrage.
  - AnthonyMouse 11y ago
    It's definitely in line with how the government frequently responds to FOIA requests. That's the idea. edit: relevant link from sandworm101: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150626/09583531469/how-fbis-dysfunctional-search-systems-keep-information-out-foia-requesters-hands.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150626/09583531469/how-f...
    - mikestew 11y ago
      Repeating yourself does not a point make. In response to what I wrote, how is the FBI's response unreasonable? And I'll warn you ahead of time that another "is so!" is not going to change my mind.
      - AnthonyMouse 11y ago
        Unless someone can find the actual FOIA request in this case the only thing we can say about it in particular is what is in the article, which is what I quoted. As for the general case, I point you to sandworm101's link above.

by ikeboy 11y ago

>Also, if this was so easy to find then why didn't the government find it when responding to the FOIA request? They didn't ask "where is content about protecting phones to be found?"

AnthonyMouse 11y ago

Hence TFA: > And that's part of the problem with the FOIA process. It's something of a guessing game, where if you don't guess exactly the proper way to phrase what you want, they'll just come back with a no responsive documents response. If a private citizen responded to a subpoena the same way the government responds to FOIA requests they would be charged with contempt.

ikeboy 11y ago
>If a private citizen responded to a subpoena the same way the government responds to FOIA requests they would be charged with contempt. Subpoenas need to specify exactly what they want as well. Not sure what you're getting at here.
- AnthonyMouse 11y ago
  > Subpoenas need to specify exactly what they want as well. Not sure what you're getting at here. What I'm getting at is if a private citizen responded to a subpoena the same way the government responds to FOIA requests they would be charged with contempt.
mikestew 11y ago
When did you quit beating your wife? The author didn't, AFAICT, post the FOIA request. But I'll have to assume it was along the lines of "when did you delete the page that recommends users encrypt their phones?" With those assumptions, the FBI's response might not be helpful, but I don't think it's out of line or worthy of outrage.
- AnthonyMouse 11y ago
  It's definitely in line with how the government frequently responds to FOIA requests. That's the idea. edit: relevant link from sandworm101: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150626/09583531469/how-fbis-dysfunctional-search-systems-keep-information-out-foia-requesters-hands.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150626/09583531469/how-f...
  - mikestew 11y ago
    Repeating yourself does not a point make. In response to what I wrote, how is the FBI's response unreasonable? And I'll warn you ahead of time that another "is so!" is not going to change my mind.
    - AnthonyMouse 11y ago
      Unless someone can find the actual FOIA request in this case the only thing we can say about it in particular is what is in the article, which is what I quoted. As for the general case, I point you to sandworm101's link above.