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For every single mother there is a single father.

by gsibble 11y ago

duaneb 11y ago
Biologically, perhaps. Not legally. Custody battles settle this rather emphatically.
return0 11y ago
> In 2006, 12.9 million families in the US were headed by a single parent, 80% of which were headed by a female. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_parent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_parent
- aikah 11y ago
  > In 2006, 12.9 million families in the US were headed by a single parent, 80% of which were headed by a female. > 45% of single mothers are currently divorced or separated Which means that potentially 45% of these 80% had the father in court fighting for his kids custody, and we all know how biased to justice system is toward men in that case. My point is don't make it sound like fathers just abandon their kids.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > Which means that potentially 45% of these 80% had the father in court fighting for his kids custody No, it doesn't. (Divorce/separated is irrelevant to that, since parental rights for both parents generally exist from birth regardless of marriage so long as paternity is established, and so separation or divorce from marriage is not a prerequisite to custody proceedings. The "potential" number is much higher; though the actual number is lower.) > and we all know how biased to justice system is toward men in that case. Yes, courts are substantially biased in favor of men in contested custody cases; men end up with custody less often in divorce because men are less likely to seek custody. > My point is don't make it sound like fathers just abandon their kids. Unfortunately, the fact is that fathers, all too often -- both without marriage and when it fails -- just abandon their kids.
    - facepalm 11y ago
      "Yes, courts are substantially biased in favor of men in contested custody cases; men end up with custody less often in divorce because men are less likely to seek custody." More likely, men only go to court when they see a chance of winning to begin with.
- facepalm 11y ago
  Fathers who don't live in the same household as their kids are still fathers...
  - emodendroket 11y ago
    But that is not what "single parent" means.
    - facepalm 11y ago
      Thanks, didn't know that.
  - dllthomas 11y ago
    Also, one father can account for multiple single mothers (and vice versa). There is no inherent one-to-one relationship here.
fiatmoney 11y ago
If you look at the actual demographics, for every 1 single mother there is well under 1 single father.
mikeash 11y ago
It's not a one-to-one correspondence. Nothing says the numbers have to match up. In an extreme case, an individual single father could potentially correspond to dozens of single mothers. An individual single mother is more limited, but could still match up with a dozen or so single fathers.
aklemm 11y ago
Raising a child and merely fathering a child are completely different things. Surely you must understand that?

For every single mother there is a single father.

by gsibble 11y ago

For every single mother there is a single father.

duaneb 11y ago

Biologically, perhaps. Not legally. Custody battles settle this rather emphatically.

return0 11y ago

> In 2006, 12.9 million families in the US were headed by a single parent, 80% of which were headed by a female. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_parent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_parent

aikah 11y ago
> In 2006, 12.9 million families in the US were headed by a single parent, 80% of which were headed by a female. > 45% of single mothers are currently divorced or separated Which means that potentially 45% of these 80% had the father in court fighting for his kids custody, and we all know how biased to justice system is toward men in that case. My point is don't make it sound like fathers just abandon their kids.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > Which means that potentially 45% of these 80% had the father in court fighting for his kids custody No, it doesn't. (Divorce/separated is irrelevant to that, since parental rights for both parents generally exist from birth regardless of marriage so long as paternity is established, and so separation or divorce from marriage is not a prerequisite to custody proceedings. The "potential" number is much higher; though the actual number is lower.) > and we all know how biased to justice system is toward men in that case. Yes, courts are substantially biased in favor of men in contested custody cases; men end up with custody less often in divorce because men are less likely to seek custody. > My point is don't make it sound like fathers just abandon their kids. Unfortunately, the fact is that fathers, all too often -- both without marriage and when it fails -- just abandon their kids.
  - facepalm 11y ago
    "Yes, courts are substantially biased in favor of men in contested custody cases; men end up with custody less often in divorce because men are less likely to seek custody." More likely, men only go to court when they see a chance of winning to begin with.
facepalm 11y ago
Fathers who don't live in the same household as their kids are still fathers...
- emodendroket 11y ago
  But that is not what "single parent" means.
  - facepalm 11y ago
    Thanks, didn't know that.
- dllthomas 11y ago
  Also, one father can account for multiple single mothers (and vice versa). There is no inherent one-to-one relationship here.

fiatmoney 11y ago

If you look at the actual demographics, for every 1 single mother there is well under 1 single father.

mikeash 11y ago

It's not a one-to-one correspondence. Nothing says the numbers have to match up. In an extreme case, an individual single father could potentially correspond to dozens of single mothers. An individual single mother is more limited, but could still match up with a dozen or so single fathers.

aklemm 11y ago

Raising a child and merely fathering a child are completely different things. Surely you must understand that?