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With all respect, I don't I understand your point. FTR, I'm also a developer in past and in present. If you have an argument in regard to actual points shared i

With all respect, I don't I understand your point. FTR, I'm also a developer in past and in present. If you have an argument in regard to actual points shared in my article, please share it with others.

Karunamon 11y ago
I don't think it's improper for it to be pointed out that someone who works as the marketing manager for a product may have a slight bias towards talking up said product's benefits and downplaying its limitations. It's just a fact, not a slight. (And I say this as someone that happens to love just about everything this company puts out!)
- jasonlotito 11y ago
  I think Andrey took it not as "he is a marketing manager for JetBrains, so of course there is a bias", but rather: "he is just a marketing manager, and not a developer, so what does he know?" And with that line of thinking, the follow up question makes perfect sense. He's not just a marketing manager.
  - cwyers 11y ago
    When there's two possible ways to read something, and one of them makes all kinds of sense and one of them doesn't, I think parsimony suggests we should believe the one that makes sense.
    - jasonlotito 11y ago
      Sure, but that assumes you read it two possible ways. And my interpretation makes perfect sense, especially if you consider the individual in question might not be a native English speaker. Seriously, I think people complaining about this are reading far too much into this. Chill.
  - oldmanjay 11y ago
    He's a marketing manager who responds with an argumentative tone to someone pointing out he is a marketing manager. There's a thing you don't see every day.
    - jasonlotito 11y ago
      Argumentative tone? I didn't read that. Couple that with the fact that he might not be a native English speaker, I think it's a bit much to imply a tone.
      - oldmanjay 11y ago
        An argument against the article was specifically solicited, even though it was orthogonal to the OP's point. That's not an implication, it's a statement. I'm not sure how else to read such a thing, frankly, native speaker or otherwise. Edit: and not that I'm telling the jetbrains folks how to do their job, but a marketing manager who has communication difficulties in a given language generally isn't given the responsibility to make public company statements in that language. Basically your objections aren't holding much water.
        jasonlotito 11y ago
        Considering your other comments, I see why you would think ill intent of others.
lmm 11y ago
Reasons I prefer eclipse: The git "commit and push" workflow is less ergonomic than eclipse's - you have to wait for it to perform the commit and then ok another dialogue to do the push, rather than just hitting "commit and push" and letting it happen in the background. There's no obvious way to search within a directory. I don't want to search everywhere which is the only option I see in ctrl-A. I want to be able to right click or similar on a directory in my project and search just in that directory. I can't tell how to reorganize the UI. In Eclipse I have the Window > Views menu. In IntelliJ panels seem to appear and disappear arbitrarily as I invoke particular actions and I have no idea what rules it follows or how to control it. Edit: aha, there's a weird square in the very bottom left corner: having clicked that the tabs for the panels have appeared which makes it much easier. No save button means I can't tell the IDE when not to try to compile. This is important when working on complex code (particularly Scala) and I know compiling it is going to take a few seconds of sluggishness. The Scala presentation compiler (admittedly not really the subject of this article) has too many spurious errors (most prominently one I reported as SCL-9700). Most importantly of all, continuous building simply isn't reliable enough. In eclipse, if I've hit save I can tell when the build has finished, and if the build has finished and there are no problems in the problems view then I am 100% confident that my code actually compiles. This simply isn't the case in IntelliJ (e.g. after renaming a class it won't necessarily complete the rebuild and so errors don't always show up until after you deliberately make).
- piquadrat 11y ago
  > There's no obvious way to search within a directory. I don't want to search everywhere which is the only option I see in ctrl-A. I want to be able to right click or similar on a directory in my project and search just in that directory. Right-click on folder, "Find in path..." does exactly that, doesn't it?
  - lmm 11y ago
    It's not in the right-click menu (at least on the bar at the top, and I don't know how to make the panel on the left appear), but that does it, thanks! I assumed it would be called "search" since the startup background talks about "search", didn't think to look for "find".
mcherm 11y ago
I think that the point is that it would be a good practice to disclose that. In no way does it invalidate what you have to say (and by the way, I really liked having the nicely-written presentation of these features; this is something I'm bookmarking to show to people), but disclosing the potential conflict of interest makes it clear that you have nothing to hide.
- sangnoir 11y ago
  > I think that the point is that it would be a good practice to disclose that Did you check the articles' URL? It's blog.jetbrains.com (i.e. an official JetBrains blog). A disclosure would be redundant.
scott_s 11y ago
cromulent's point is that you made an editorial claim of "best" in a submission title, against the policies of HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
eitland 11y ago
Then here is something I am very happy with Netbeans but bought a license a couple of years ago. What really really turned me off was when I found and reported a really annoying bug only to be told to buy the not yet released(IIRC) upgrade.

Karunamon 11y ago

I don't think it's improper for it to be pointed out that someone who works as the marketing manager for a product may have a slight bias towards talking up said product's benefits and downplaying its limitations. It's just a fact, not a slight. (And I say this as someone that happens to love just about everything this company puts out!)

jasonlotito 11y ago
I think Andrey took it not as "he is a marketing manager for JetBrains, so of course there is a bias", but rather: "he is just a marketing manager, and not a developer, so what does he know?" And with that line of thinking, the follow up question makes perfect sense. He's not just a marketing manager.
- cwyers 11y ago
  When there's two possible ways to read something, and one of them makes all kinds of sense and one of them doesn't, I think parsimony suggests we should believe the one that makes sense.
  - jasonlotito 11y ago
    Sure, but that assumes you read it two possible ways. And my interpretation makes perfect sense, especially if you consider the individual in question might not be a native English speaker. Seriously, I think people complaining about this are reading far too much into this. Chill.
- oldmanjay 11y ago
  He's a marketing manager who responds with an argumentative tone to someone pointing out he is a marketing manager. There's a thing you don't see every day.
  - jasonlotito 11y ago
    Argumentative tone? I didn't read that. Couple that with the fact that he might not be a native English speaker, I think it's a bit much to imply a tone.
    - oldmanjay 11y ago
      An argument against the article was specifically solicited, even though it was orthogonal to the OP's point. That's not an implication, it's a statement. I'm not sure how else to read such a thing, frankly, native speaker or otherwise. Edit: and not that I'm telling the jetbrains folks how to do their job, but a marketing manager who has communication difficulties in a given language generally isn't given the responsibility to make public company statements in that language. Basically your objections aren't holding much water.
      - jasonlotito 11y ago
        Considering your other comments, I see why you would think ill intent of others.

lmm 11y ago

Reasons I prefer eclipse: The git "commit and push" workflow is less ergonomic than eclipse's - you have to wait for it to perform the commit and then ok another dialogue to do the push, rather than just hitting "commit and push" and letting it happen in the background. There's no obvious way to search within a directory. I don't want to search everywhere which is the only option I see in ctrl-A. I want to be able to right click or similar on a directory in my project and search just in that directory. I can't tell how to reorganize the UI. In Eclipse I have the Window > Views menu. In IntelliJ panels seem to appear and disappear arbitrarily as I invoke particular actions and I have no idea what rules it follows or how to control it. Edit: aha, there's a weird square in the very bottom left corner: having clicked that the tabs for the panels have appeared which makes it much easier. No save button means I can't tell the IDE when not to try to compile. This is important when working on complex code (particularly Scala) and I know compiling it is going to take a few seconds of sluggishness. The Scala presentation compiler (admittedly not really the subject of this article) has too many spurious errors (most prominently one I reported as SCL-9700). Most importantly of all, continuous building simply isn't reliable enough. In eclipse, if I've hit save I can tell when the build has finished, and if the build has finished and there are no problems in the problems view then I am 100% confident that my code actually compiles. This simply isn't the case in IntelliJ (e.g. after renaming a class it won't necessarily complete the rebuild and so errors don't always show up until after you deliberately make).

piquadrat 11y ago
> There's no obvious way to search within a directory. I don't want to search everywhere which is the only option I see in ctrl-A. I want to be able to right click or similar on a directory in my project and search just in that directory. Right-click on folder, "Find in path..." does exactly that, doesn't it?
- lmm 11y ago
  It's not in the right-click menu (at least on the bar at the top, and I don't know how to make the panel on the left appear), but that does it, thanks! I assumed it would be called "search" since the startup background talks about "search", didn't think to look for "find".

mcherm 11y ago

I think that the point is that it would be a good practice to disclose that. In no way does it invalidate what you have to say (and by the way, I really liked having the nicely-written presentation of these features; this is something I'm bookmarking to show to people), but disclosing the potential conflict of interest makes it clear that you have nothing to hide.

sangnoir 11y ago
> I think that the point is that it would be a good practice to disclose that Did you check the articles' URL? It's blog.jetbrains.com (i.e. an official JetBrains blog). A disclosure would be redundant.

scott_s 11y ago

cromulent's point is that you made an editorial claim of "best" in a submission title, against the policies of HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

eitland 11y ago

Then here is something I am very happy with Netbeans but bought a license a couple of years ago. What really really turned me off was when I found and reported a really annoying bug only to be told to buy the not yet released(IIRC) upgrade.