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Maybe I'm not understanding your comment, but according to Forbes[1], IBM is prominent in cloud services and exceeds AWS in revenue. It sounds as though IBM's

Maybe I'm not understanding your comment, but according to Forbes[1], IBM is prominent in cloud services and exceeds AWS in revenue. It sounds as though IBM's doing things right, at least in this space. It may be that in other markets, they've fallen behind or failed to innovate, e.g. the vast mobile market. 1. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsatell/2015/04/27/move-over-amazn-ibm-now-rules-cloud-services/#655a0e616dad http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsatell/2015/04/27/move-over-...

marcus_holmes 11y ago
According to the article IBM bought Softlayer and has only just launched BlueMix. I tried Bluemix and found it unoriginal and a cit crap. Not that the world of cloud services moves according to my preferences, but I'm not seeing it used anywhere else either. If IBM is "prominent" in cloud services it's from acquisitions. Whereas AWS pioneered the cloud industry. This is certainly "doing things right" in that it's providing a great exit route for startup founders in the cloud industry. I'm not sure it's "doing things right" for IBM itself. IBM looks like it's being run by accountants. You can tell because they think they'll get the same results from someone on a H1B visa as they will from their veteran employees. Accountants can never get their heads round the fact that technical folk aren't fungible.
- increment_i 11y ago
  I had a similar experience with Bluemix. One of the biggest turn offs though was the ridiculously convoluted website for IBM's cloud services. Some serious streamlining is in order there. I had no idea where to go or what to do to get the information I needed for simple things like straightforward API pricing, etc.
  - gherkin0 11y ago
    > One of the biggest turn offs though was the ridiculously convoluted website for IBM's cloud services. Has IBM ever made a website that wasn't confusing and terrible?
  - sk5t 11y ago
    One possible explanation is that IBM actually has no idea what to charge for most BlueMix services.
- jacques_chester 11y ago
  > but I'm not seeing it used anywhere else either. Bluemix is a re-branded Cloud Foundry. IBM donates engineering to the Cloud Foundry Foundation. CF is used in a lot of places. Disclaimer: I work for Pivotal, the leading donor of engineering to Cloud Foundry. We have our own distribution of Cloud Foundry, PCF, that is a competitor to Bluemix.
  - praneshp 11y ago
    Yes, but IBM somehow made CF, which is awesome to use, into a piece of shit offering with Bluemix. I hope their enterprise offering (if any) is better.
  - marcus_holmes 11y ago
    cool, new information, thanks :) I'm still not seeing BlueMix itself used anywhere ;)
sk5t 11y ago
One would need a very contorted definition of "prominent in cloud services" to go along with that. BlueMix is still taking its baby steps compared to AWS or Google, and Softlayer is more like an outsourced data center with a bit of a management portal on top.

marcus_holmes 11y ago

According to the article IBM bought Softlayer and has only just launched BlueMix. I tried Bluemix and found it unoriginal and a cit crap. Not that the world of cloud services moves according to my preferences, but I'm not seeing it used anywhere else either. If IBM is "prominent" in cloud services it's from acquisitions. Whereas AWS pioneered the cloud industry. This is certainly "doing things right" in that it's providing a great exit route for startup founders in the cloud industry. I'm not sure it's "doing things right" for IBM itself. IBM looks like it's being run by accountants. You can tell because they think they'll get the same results from someone on a H1B visa as they will from their veteran employees. Accountants can never get their heads round the fact that technical folk aren't fungible.

increment_i 11y ago
I had a similar experience with Bluemix. One of the biggest turn offs though was the ridiculously convoluted website for IBM's cloud services. Some serious streamlining is in order there. I had no idea where to go or what to do to get the information I needed for simple things like straightforward API pricing, etc.
- gherkin0 11y ago
  > One of the biggest turn offs though was the ridiculously convoluted website for IBM's cloud services. Has IBM ever made a website that wasn't confusing and terrible?
- sk5t 11y ago
  One possible explanation is that IBM actually has no idea what to charge for most BlueMix services.
jacques_chester 11y ago
> but I'm not seeing it used anywhere else either. Bluemix is a re-branded Cloud Foundry. IBM donates engineering to the Cloud Foundry Foundation. CF is used in a lot of places. Disclaimer: I work for Pivotal, the leading donor of engineering to Cloud Foundry. We have our own distribution of Cloud Foundry, PCF, that is a competitor to Bluemix.
- praneshp 11y ago
  Yes, but IBM somehow made CF, which is awesome to use, into a piece of shit offering with Bluemix. I hope their enterprise offering (if any) is better.
- marcus_holmes 11y ago
  cool, new information, thanks :) I'm still not seeing BlueMix itself used anywhere ;)

sk5t 11y ago

One would need a very contorted definition of "prominent in cloud services" to go along with that. BlueMix is still taking its baby steps compared to AWS or Google, and Softlayer is more like an outsourced data center with a bit of a management portal on top.