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I don't understand No 2? If the right side of a window extends to the edge of the screen, I can slam the cursor right and start dragging up/down for scrolling.

I don't understand No 2? If the right side of a window extends to the edge of the screen, I can slam the cursor right and start dragging up/down for scrolling. It does show the resize left/right cursor, but the scrolling works.

oneeyedpigeon 11y ago
I'd never realised this before but, somehow, that behaviour appears to be application-specific. Finder scrolls, Sublime Text does nothing, Chrome moves the window. This does not make me any happier.
- gr3yh47 11y ago
  This issue is rampant in OS X and not just with mouse behavior - many keyboard shortcuts are different depending on what type of app it is... i.e. in some cases the go to the beginning of the line action is bound to 'fn + left arrow' and in some cases is instead bound to 'ctrl + a' Mac OS is about easy entry-level accessibility whereas windows/linux are more suited to power users for this reason. Much, much easier to be a pure/power kb user in windows/linux.
  - js2 11y ago
    This is due to hysterical raisins and has to do with OS X's mixed carbon/cocoa legacy. You can make ctrl-a, e, etc work in almost all proper Cocoa-based apps. http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/Site/cocoa-text.html http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/Site/cocoa-text.html https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/EventOverview/TextDefaultsBindings/TextDefaultsBindings.html https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Cocoa/...
Razengan 11y ago
Who still scrolls by actually grabbing the scrollbars, and why? They are hidden by default in OS X, and you can just use swipe gestures on trackpad/Magic Mouse or the mouse wheel on other mice to scroll, while the cursor is anywhere over the window..
- TuringTest 11y ago
  Although I love the scrollwheel and you couldn't pry it from my cold dead hands, I use the scrollbar every day (in Windows 7, which has them) for two purposes: - Moving a whole page up or down by clicking on the grey bar, which is similar to pressing Page Up and Page Down, but it's much faster on screen when I already have the hand on the mouse and the window maximized (because of Fitts's law, the scrollbar has infinite width, while the keys are small). - Dragging around up and down in a long page to a different part of the document, in almost instant time. I HATE with all my strength how mobile browsers and apps have eliminated that option. Dragging a moderately long page to find a particular section (in, say, a Wikipedia article) with the touchscreen's physical scroll is a pain in the ass, and slow as molasses because the max speed is also capped at a low value. Is it that hard to show a drag handle after the drag event has started, and hide it when it ends?
  - Razengan 11y ago
    Scrolling by Magic Mouse/trackpad swipe gestures in OS X is also incredibly fast; you can go through very long pages with just 1-2 swipes, and you can stop the scrolling at any time by tapping the source.
    - Razengan 11y ago
      *surface, not source.
  - mixmastamyk 11y ago
    On Linux I love the middle-click on the scroll bar to go exactly to that point.

oneeyedpigeon 11y ago

I'd never realised this before but, somehow, that behaviour appears to be application-specific. Finder scrolls, Sublime Text does nothing, Chrome moves the window. This does not make me any happier.

gr3yh47 11y ago
This issue is rampant in OS X and not just with mouse behavior - many keyboard shortcuts are different depending on what type of app it is... i.e. in some cases the go to the beginning of the line action is bound to 'fn + left arrow' and in some cases is instead bound to 'ctrl + a' Mac OS is about easy entry-level accessibility whereas windows/linux are more suited to power users for this reason. Much, much easier to be a pure/power kb user in windows/linux.
- js2 11y ago
  This is due to hysterical raisins and has to do with OS X's mixed carbon/cocoa legacy. You can make ctrl-a, e, etc work in almost all proper Cocoa-based apps. http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/Site/cocoa-text.html http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/Site/cocoa-text.html https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/EventOverview/TextDefaultsBindings/TextDefaultsBindings.html https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Cocoa/...

Razengan 11y ago

Who still scrolls by actually grabbing the scrollbars, and why? They are hidden by default in OS X, and you can just use swipe gestures on trackpad/Magic Mouse or the mouse wheel on other mice to scroll, while the cursor is anywhere over the window..

TuringTest 11y ago
Although I love the scrollwheel and you couldn't pry it from my cold dead hands, I use the scrollbar every day (in Windows 7, which has them) for two purposes: - Moving a whole page up or down by clicking on the grey bar, which is similar to pressing Page Up and Page Down, but it's much faster on screen when I already have the hand on the mouse and the window maximized (because of Fitts's law, the scrollbar has infinite width, while the keys are small). - Dragging around up and down in a long page to a different part of the document, in almost instant time. I HATE with all my strength how mobile browsers and apps have eliminated that option. Dragging a moderately long page to find a particular section (in, say, a Wikipedia article) with the touchscreen's physical scroll is a pain in the ass, and slow as molasses because the max speed is also capped at a low value. Is it that hard to show a drag handle after the drag event has started, and hide it when it ends?
- Razengan 11y ago
  Scrolling by Magic Mouse/trackpad swipe gestures in OS X is also incredibly fast; you can go through very long pages with just 1-2 swipes, and you can stop the scrolling at any time by tapping the source.
  - Razengan 11y ago
    *surface, not source.
- mixmastamyk 11y ago
  On Linux I love the middle-click on the scroll bar to go exactly to that point.