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Judging by the Wikipedia entry[0], engineers did warn of it and propose a solution, but it would have slowed construction. > Because the dam was constructed on

by dan1234 11y ago

Judging by the Wikipedia entry[0], engineers did warn of it and propose a solution, but it would have slowed construction. > Because the dam was constructed on a foundation of soluble gypsum, the engineers recommended the implementation of a grout curtain within the foundation before the superstructure was built. Instead, to speed construction of the dam, engineers installed a grouting gallery that would allow continuous grouting of the dam's foundation in order to promote stability. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosul_Dam#Instability_and_remediation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosul_Dam#Instability_and_reme...

ChuckMcM 11y ago
And of course the backup solution has worked for 30 years, it is only failing now because the war has made the availability of workers and cement scarce. As I read through some of the pages on the this it seems like the "grouting gallery" would eventually have created the seal necessary. So I get that it was not the choice one would use in hindsight, I can also see how people at the time weren't thinking "Well what happens if the government is overthrown and we're in civil war and can't do the grouting?" No, doubt if that came up someone said "Well if that happens we'll have worse problems than keeping this dam fixed! har har har." (as you can tell I really dislike it when people use that as an excuse for allowing technical debt to be created)
- meric 11y ago
  Also, back then, Saddam Hussein was an effective leader who kept his people in control, and Iraq was one of U.S.'s staunchest allies, it would have been hard to imagine U.S. would be the invaders that would create the power vacuum for rebels launch a civil war. "Well what happens if we get invaded?" "Not going to happen while we're U.S.'s best buddies." "What about a rebellion?" "With Saddam Hussein? Impossible. Iraq is a stable country."
  - kahirsch 11y ago
    > Iraq was one of U.S.'s staunches That's quite an exaggeration. Iraq and the United States didn't even have diplomatic relations from 1967 to 1983. The U.S. did help Iraq when it looked like it was going to lose the war it started with Iran, but it was mostly intelligence aid since Congress refused to lift the arms embargo against Iraq.
    - meric 11y ago
      Mosul Dam wasn't completed till 1986, and 1983-1986 is the period of time where Mosul Dam was being constructed, and when U.S.-Iraq relations were at their most friendly.

by dan1234 11y ago

ChuckMcM 11y ago

And of course the backup solution has worked for 30 years, it is only failing now because the war has made the availability of workers and cement scarce. As I read through some of the pages on the this it seems like the "grouting gallery" would eventually have created the seal necessary. So I get that it was not the choice one would use in hindsight, I can also see how people at the time weren't thinking "Well what happens if the government is overthrown and we're in civil war and can't do the grouting?" No, doubt if that came up someone said "Well if that happens we'll have worse problems than keeping this dam fixed! har har har." (as you can tell I really dislike it when people use that as an excuse for allowing technical debt to be created)

meric 11y ago
Also, back then, Saddam Hussein was an effective leader who kept his people in control, and Iraq was one of U.S.'s staunchest allies, it would have been hard to imagine U.S. would be the invaders that would create the power vacuum for rebels launch a civil war. "Well what happens if we get invaded?" "Not going to happen while we're U.S.'s best buddies." "What about a rebellion?" "With Saddam Hussein? Impossible. Iraq is a stable country."
- kahirsch 11y ago
  > Iraq was one of U.S.'s staunches That's quite an exaggeration. Iraq and the United States didn't even have diplomatic relations from 1967 to 1983. The U.S. did help Iraq when it looked like it was going to lose the war it started with Iran, but it was mostly intelligence aid since Congress refused to lift the arms embargo against Iraq.
  - meric 11y ago
    Mosul Dam wasn't completed till 1986, and 1983-1986 is the period of time where Mosul Dam was being constructed, and when U.S.-Iraq relations were at their most friendly.