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Infrastructure damage that causes severe issues is such a low hanging fruit it's a mystery to me why it isn't attacked more by terrorist / anarchist / primitivi

Infrastructure damage that causes severe issues is such a low hanging fruit it's a mystery to me why it isn't attacked more by terrorist / anarchist / primitivist / et al. groups unless I adopt the Hansonian "X is not about seemingly related Y" viewpoint...

contingencies 11y ago
Thesis: The bogeymen don't really exist.
- samstave 11y ago
  Yep, ISIS is a ploy for MIC global domination... We all in tech see it, fuck the deniers.
  - contingencies 11y ago
    If you want to make flippant statements, perhaps you should find or research an infographic like: "Civilian deaths due to extremist groups vs. civilian deaths due to US military actions and sanctions". Feel free to ignore the far longer history of one side, and the fact one side gave weapons and stupid quantities of free media airtime to the other. If you recall, Wikileaks' war logs proved once and for all the real quantity of civilian deaths is a lot higher than you hear reported in the media by outing the US military's internally reported stats. More people probably died in the first two months of the year in multiple African conflicts than civilian deaths attributable to terrorism in the last 10 years. PS. Funny how as soon as I post this reply I get downvoted on both comments. American nationalism is alive and kicking on HN :)
    - samstave 11y ago
      You may be misinformed. I might be. However I believe that I can back my shit up better than you can. Let's prove it. Gimme links please.
      - contingencies 11y ago
        http://www.wikileaks.org/ http://www.wikileaks.org/ http://www.globalissues.org/article/105/effects-of-sanctions http://www.globalissues.org/article/105/effects-of-sanctions http://iraqwar.org/mass_destruction.htm http://iraqwar.org/mass_destruction.htm https://chomsky.info/200401__/ https://chomsky.info/200401__/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_documents_leak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_documents_leak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_war... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_US_drone_strikes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_US_dr... http://tech.mit.edu/V128/N63/chomskytalk.html http://tech.mit.edu/V128/N63/chomskytalk.html http://www.countercurrents.org/lucas240407.htm http://www.countercurrents.org/lucas240407.htm https://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/ https://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflict...
        samstave 11y ago
        Just because the MIC is winning doesn't prove me wrong. The usg incentive is continual war. Chomsky backs this up, you're actually saying the same thing as me: that the system is fed by war. Show me how that isn't true? However I will go through all your links and read them all. But war is the only thing that keeps this country alive at the moment. War and financial fraud.
    - samstave 11y ago
      I'm going to upvote you without even reading your response for the sake of discussion
    - mineshaftgap 11y ago
      Are you kidding? As far as HN is concerned the US is the root of all evil in the world, we don't need borders or defense and eagerly await when China is the strongest country. Fucking geniuses.
- goodcanadian 11y ago
  And/or they aren't very smart or very well resourced.
  - contingencies 11y ago
    If a terrorist plots in his lounge-room and nobody ever sees repercussions, do they really exist?
- whitegrape 11y ago
  That's way too general and easily disprovable by any one of the single counterexamples of groups identified as bad people (whether or not the ones pointing fingers are also bad) blowing shit up or killing innocents. The Hansonian viewpoint is at least specific and offers predictions. (Here's a good overview: http://www.gwern.net/Terrorism%20is%20not%20about%20Terror http://www.gwern.net/Terrorism%20is%20not%20about%20Terror)

contingencies 11y ago

Thesis: The bogeymen don't really exist.

samstave 11y ago
Yep, ISIS is a ploy for MIC global domination... We all in tech see it, fuck the deniers.
- contingencies 11y ago
  If you want to make flippant statements, perhaps you should find or research an infographic like: "Civilian deaths due to extremist groups vs. civilian deaths due to US military actions and sanctions". Feel free to ignore the far longer history of one side, and the fact one side gave weapons and stupid quantities of free media airtime to the other. If you recall, Wikileaks' war logs proved once and for all the real quantity of civilian deaths is a lot higher than you hear reported in the media by outing the US military's internally reported stats. More people probably died in the first two months of the year in multiple African conflicts than civilian deaths attributable to terrorism in the last 10 years. PS. Funny how as soon as I post this reply I get downvoted on both comments. American nationalism is alive and kicking on HN :)
  - samstave 11y ago
    You may be misinformed. I might be. However I believe that I can back my shit up better than you can. Let's prove it. Gimme links please.
    - contingencies 11y ago
      http://www.wikileaks.org/ http://www.wikileaks.org/ http://www.globalissues.org/article/105/effects-of-sanctions http://www.globalissues.org/article/105/effects-of-sanctions http://iraqwar.org/mass_destruction.htm http://iraqwar.org/mass_destruction.htm https://chomsky.info/200401__/ https://chomsky.info/200401__/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_documents_leak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_documents_leak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_war... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_US_drone_strikes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_US_dr... http://tech.mit.edu/V128/N63/chomskytalk.html http://tech.mit.edu/V128/N63/chomskytalk.html http://www.countercurrents.org/lucas240407.htm http://www.countercurrents.org/lucas240407.htm https://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/ https://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflict...
      - samstave 11y ago
        Just because the MIC is winning doesn't prove me wrong. The usg incentive is continual war. Chomsky backs this up, you're actually saying the same thing as me: that the system is fed by war. Show me how that isn't true? However I will go through all your links and read them all. But war is the only thing that keeps this country alive at the moment. War and financial fraud.
  - samstave 11y ago
    I'm going to upvote you without even reading your response for the sake of discussion
  - mineshaftgap 11y ago
    Are you kidding? As far as HN is concerned the US is the root of all evil in the world, we don't need borders or defense and eagerly await when China is the strongest country. Fucking geniuses.
goodcanadian 11y ago
And/or they aren't very smart or very well resourced.
- contingencies 11y ago
  If a terrorist plots in his lounge-room and nobody ever sees repercussions, do they really exist?
whitegrape 11y ago
That's way too general and easily disprovable by any one of the single counterexamples of groups identified as bad people (whether or not the ones pointing fingers are also bad) blowing shit up or killing innocents. The Hansonian viewpoint is at least specific and offers predictions. (Here's a good overview: http://www.gwern.net/Terrorism%20is%20not%20about%20Terror http://www.gwern.net/Terrorism%20is%20not%20about%20Terror)