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I think the MindGeek / Pornhub monopoly demonstrates the lengths to which content providers will go to avoid switching away from ad-based revenue, and also the

by p4wnc6 11y ago

I think the MindGeek / Pornhub monopoly demonstrates the lengths to which content providers will go to avoid switching away from ad-based revenue, and also the extreme aversion consumers have to the entire premise of paying for creative content (whether through paid attention to ads or paid dollars to subscriptions). Not even porn can get many people to prefer a subscription model or stop using adblockers. Good luck to everybody else ...

Spivak 11y ago
> Not even porn can get many people to prefer a subscription model You say this like porn viewers don't have a huge incentive to make sure PORNHUB CO. doesn't appear on their bank statement or that some shadow profile isn't tracking their viewing habits. Hell, private browsing was practically invented for porn and [insert non-porn plausible deniability excuse]. I think the porn industry is in a unique position where if their stance was that highly regulated, completely image based, ads served securely through their domain was the means by which the site was funded while maintaining the viewer's anonymity they could find themselves on a lot of default white-lists.
- forgetsusername 11y ago
  >"porn viewers don't have a huge incentive to make sure PORNHUB CO. doesn't appear on their bank statement" Do they? I mean, honestly, who isn't a porn viewer? Who on earth would you, personally, think it to be scandalous to have a porn subscription discovered on their credit card? Anybody? What is the incentive? I thought OP's porn example was pretty good. The entire world crushes porn (even when it's taboo or illegal), and yet still refuses to pay for it.
  - bcoates 11y ago
    I'm pretty sure people who have a not terribly high opinion of me would have it lowered still to discover I paid for porn.
    - p4wnc6 11y ago
      Eh, they are probably too busy looking at porn to care.
  - ksenzee 11y ago
    > Who isn't a porn viewer? Believe it or not, there are people who never watch porn. The industry's sleaziness turns some people off, and some people just aren't into it.
  - pjc50 11y ago
    I think it's very insular to assume that what you think is normal is the same as what most people think is normal, especially when it's still newspaper scandal material. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/smith-ordered-to-apologise-over-expenses-1801530.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/smith-ordered-... : mostly this was about putting the cable TV bill on expenses, but all the papers were particularly outraged at finding PPV porn on the bill.
- makomk 11y ago
  Also, the porn industry's billing practices are sleazy and full of dark patterns.
- malka 11y ago
  another effect of private browsing is that, by default on Chrome, extensions are disabled. Therefore it is possible they suffer less from ad blocking than the rest of the industry.

by p4wnc6 11y ago

Spivak 11y ago

> Not even porn can get many people to prefer a subscription model You say this like porn viewers don't have a huge incentive to make sure PORNHUB CO. doesn't appear on their bank statement or that some shadow profile isn't tracking their viewing habits. Hell, private browsing was practically invented for porn and [insert non-porn plausible deniability excuse]. I think the porn industry is in a unique position where if their stance was that highly regulated, completely image based, ads served securely through their domain was the means by which the site was funded while maintaining the viewer's anonymity they could find themselves on a lot of default white-lists.

forgetsusername 11y ago
>"porn viewers don't have a huge incentive to make sure PORNHUB CO. doesn't appear on their bank statement" Do they? I mean, honestly, who isn't a porn viewer? Who on earth would you, personally, think it to be scandalous to have a porn subscription discovered on their credit card? Anybody? What is the incentive? I thought OP's porn example was pretty good. The entire world crushes porn (even when it's taboo or illegal), and yet still refuses to pay for it.
- bcoates 11y ago
  I'm pretty sure people who have a not terribly high opinion of me would have it lowered still to discover I paid for porn.
  - p4wnc6 11y ago
    Eh, they are probably too busy looking at porn to care.
- ksenzee 11y ago
  > Who isn't a porn viewer? Believe it or not, there are people who never watch porn. The industry's sleaziness turns some people off, and some people just aren't into it.
- pjc50 11y ago
  I think it's very insular to assume that what you think is normal is the same as what most people think is normal, especially when it's still newspaper scandal material. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/smith-ordered-to-apologise-over-expenses-1801530.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/smith-ordered-... : mostly this was about putting the cable TV bill on expenses, but all the papers were particularly outraged at finding PPV porn on the bill.
makomk 11y ago
Also, the porn industry's billing practices are sleazy and full of dark patterns.
malka 11y ago
another effect of private browsing is that, by default on Chrome, extensions are disabled. Therefore it is possible they suffer less from ad blocking than the rest of the industry.