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I never said a Hungarian or a Polish is not going to be more competitive. I never said you're not going to factor in your social security costs. I don't know w

I never said a Hungarian or a Polish is not going to be more competitive. I never said you're not going to factor in your social security costs. I don't know why the conversation is going that way. My question is still unanswered: why would he pay explicitly their social security costs? My social security costs are about 225/mo. I mean seriously, even if you wanted to push 225 per month to only a single client, it would be such an inconsequential number that I don't know why we're talking about it. We are still talking about software engineering jobs right? But from 1700 to 3000 there's a huge gap. Plus, as I previously said, the overhead of having to deal with the Greek social security system is so prohibitively high that I don't understand why someone would go through such trouble.

StavrosK 11y ago
I don't understand who you think pays for costs. The customer ultimately pays for all costs. You take your monthly costs, divide them by the number of working days, you have your cost per day. Someone who has higher insurance cost will cost more per day. I don't think I can break this down further :(
- rantanplan 11y ago
  Dear friend, I don't think you're actually reading my replies. It's like you're on a conversation on your own :( Please don't tell me again about how someone with higher insurance costs will cost more per day. No one is discussing this. At least not me. This is simple math. Actually I've even said the same thing myself higher up. This is going to be my last effort of explaining where the OP, I replied to, is wrong. Because he is wrong, there's no way around it. If I fail, well I'll blame myself for not expressing myself correctly. But please, make an effort to read carefully my replies. There are 3 key points in the OP's comment: 1) He talks about outsourcing, 2) he talks about social security costs and 3) he mentions a figure(1700 net which amounts to 3000 after the costs) I've never heard anyone who's looking to outsource work talking about social security costs. In order to care about such things it means that you are a domestic employer. If we were talking about this particular case, the OP should have to have a Greek business, so by definition it wouldn't be outsourcing. I work as a contractor. My employer(outside of Greece) knows nothing about my tax rate, social security costs, etc. Nothing! I sent him an invoice, they send me the money. The strange thing about what the OP mentioned is the figure. The figure is correct BUT only if he's talking about the IKA social security system. Which of course is wrong, since he should be looking for freelancers who DON'T have IKA but either yours(ΤΣΜΕΔΕ, can you be a freelancer with ΤΣΜΕΔΕ? I don't know) or mine(ΟΑΕΕ/ΤΕΒΕ). In other words, he was misinformed and scared away. Since if he's willing to give 1700 eu/mo to a Greek developer, even if said developer absorbs the social security costs, he's left with ~1500, which is decent compared to what is the current standard in today's Greek economy. I hope I made my point. Have a nice day.

StavrosK 11y ago

I don't understand who you think pays for costs. The customer ultimately pays for all costs. You take your monthly costs, divide them by the number of working days, you have your cost per day. Someone who has higher insurance cost will cost more per day. I don't think I can break this down further :(

rantanplan 11y ago
Dear friend, I don't think you're actually reading my replies. It's like you're on a conversation on your own :( Please don't tell me again about how someone with higher insurance costs will cost more per day. No one is discussing this. At least not me. This is simple math. Actually I've even said the same thing myself higher up. This is going to be my last effort of explaining where the OP, I replied to, is wrong. Because he is wrong, there's no way around it. If I fail, well I'll blame myself for not expressing myself correctly. But please, make an effort to read carefully my replies. There are 3 key points in the OP's comment: 1) He talks about outsourcing, 2) he talks about social security costs and 3) he mentions a figure(1700 net which amounts to 3000 after the costs) I've never heard anyone who's looking to outsource work talking about social security costs. In order to care about such things it means that you are a domestic employer. If we were talking about this particular case, the OP should have to have a Greek business, so by definition it wouldn't be outsourcing. I work as a contractor. My employer(outside of Greece) knows nothing about my tax rate, social security costs, etc. Nothing! I sent him an invoice, they send me the money. The strange thing about what the OP mentioned is the figure. The figure is correct BUT only if he's talking about the IKA social security system. Which of course is wrong, since he should be looking for freelancers who DON'T have IKA but either yours(ΤΣΜΕΔΕ, can you be a freelancer with ΤΣΜΕΔΕ? I don't know) or mine(ΟΑΕΕ/ΤΕΒΕ). In other words, he was misinformed and scared away. Since if he's willing to give 1700 eu/mo to a Greek developer, even if said developer absorbs the social security costs, he's left with ~1500, which is decent compared to what is the current standard in today's Greek economy. I hope I made my point. Have a nice day.