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Thing is, those examples are quite final: nobody is compelled to continue contributing effort & wealth to maintain them. "Separating from the British Empire"? t
by ctdonath 11y ago
Thing is, those examples are quite final: nobody is compelled to continue contributing effort & wealth to maintain them. "Separating from the British Empire"? to wit: get out & stay out. "Freeing slaves"? end legal enablement of slavery. "End alcohol prohibition"? stop enforcing prohibition.
Those are VERY different from "basic income", where a government must actively & continuously compel the productive to give up the fruits of their labors for re-distribution to whoever is legally defined as "needy" et al. Were it akin to the Biblical practice of "gleaning" (farmers don't go back to ensure absolutely everything was harvested, leaving that to the needy to scavenge), ok: (US-centric answer) basically open up BLM-managed government-owned property for temporary housing & harvesting, shooing people off yearly or so to ensure no permanent claims & abuse. But such "gleaning" solutions are immediately shot down by BI proponents, preferring solutions which demand nothing of recipients and thereby demand complete care provided by the productive.
Massive policy proposals which stop an activity are successful. Those demanding ongoing taxation etc aren't, as they're prone to growing complications & abuse.
- bcheung 11y agoIt doesn't sound like you read Paine's proposal. You're talking more about a collectivism along the lines of Socialism or Communism. That isn't what Paine is proposing. Under Paine's system people keep 100% of the fruits of their labor. Compulsion is not needed in order to have basic income. Basic income can be done in a way that is 100% compatible with private property rights and capitalism. Paine was not proposing that we tax income and use that for basic income.
- ctdonath 11y agoI was responding to the examples of allegedly successful "massive policy proposals", all of which were precisely not collectivism.