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Just to clarify stupid arguments. The federal police was asking information like ip address from organised crime pages, they use Facebook as other social networ

Just to clarify stupid arguments. The federal police was asking information like ip address from organised crime pages, they use Facebook as other social network pages(In this case actually we are talking about Whatsapp). Don't have ANYTHING TO DO WITH SPY CITIZENS. Like PCC(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primeiro_Comando_da_Capital https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primeiro_Comando_da_Capital) has an official facebook page. There is many people in Brazil who stole cellphones, kill people and post on Facebook(Yeh, I know is ridiculous dumb, but people does). Definitely the IP address will help the cops. Please stop to talk about stupid spy conspiracy without understand the "why". They arrested Facebook's VP because they don't know what to do anymore, because Facebook always deny the justice requests. Oh, if you think that they are protecting your data, you are just dumb as a stone, they are just protecting them self. (Sorry for my poor english, it isn't my first or second language.)

Artur_Gaspar 11y ago
As someone commented, it could be the case that Facebook/WhatsApp does not even have the data any more. Also, WhatsApp operates as a separate business from Facebook. In my opinion this looks a lot more like a display of power by the government, than an actual effort in the investigation. I don't see either how Facebook would be "protecting themselves". They have little to gain and much to lose by not cooperating with the government. It's not about publicity because it wouldn't have made the news at all if they complied. Now, even mentioning the following may be going into conspiracy theory territory, but telephone companies were trying to get WhatsApp banned not long ago. I wouldn't be surprised if this event would further their goals.
- danielmantovani 11y ago
  Do you really believe that Facebook/WhatsApp don't have the data ? Please we are in 2016, data is everything! Don't you think they sell or use our data for an infinite kind of applications like send ads ? Analysing our personal data like WhatsApp and Facebook they can have so minimum details about us and classify in really minimum groups of "publicity". The mankind never in history had so mach data and ways(powerful computers) to compute it like today. it is not a stupid conspiracy theory, Google does read our email to sell ads and it is in the ToS. The question is, just because it isn't in the ToS it doesn't exist ? And nobody can investigate it ?
  - Artur_Gaspar 11y ago
    Yes, I believe it is possible that they don't have the data. No, I don't think they collect private messages for targeted advertising or for any purposes at all.
    - danielmantovani 11y ago
      All my friends from Whatsapp show as Facebook suggestion just occasionally.
pmarreck 11y ago
Try and struggle through this please http://martinfowler.com/articles/bothersome-privacy.html http://martinfowler.com/articles/bothersome-privacy.html Or read the google-translated version into Portuguese https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=pt&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmartinfowler.com%2Farticles%2Fbothersome-privacy.html&edit-text= https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=pt&js=y&pr... It explains very well why this is no trivial issue to Americans nor to tech people. Also, your drugs should be legalized or decriminalized, anyway. It would put all the bad guys out of business and bring the entire drug market back within regulation. Portugal did it and it's considered a success, why can't Brazil?
- schoen 11y ago
  That article includes a link to an official Portuguese translation, which is still available at http://lixo.org/blog/2013/08/05/privacidade-protege-pessoas-incomodas http://lixo.org/blog/2013/08/05/privacidade-protege-pessoas-...
  - pmarreck 11y ago
    ah. oops.
- danielmantovani 11y ago
  Is really hard to separe what should be known and what should not. Like is total absolute right for many reasons as repression write about an government in anonymous. But it is right spread a video from a naked girl from work who got drunk and slept with you ? That's happen EVERY SINGLE DAY here in Brazil, guys take advantage from girls and screw up they life. Would be quick easy track the first person who did share the video, and this morons in most of the times don't think in use a proxy, Tor or something like. Because if they could think, they would never destroy a person's life doing such stupidness in exception psychopaths.
- nandemo 11y ago
  First, > For many people, privacy is a fundamental right - they see no reason why a government should be meddling in my affairs without a more specific reason than a blanket search for possible terrorism. ... this is not about blanket searches, and: > I'm not saying that privacy is an absolute. Foiling criminal activity often means breaching privacy - a database of phone calls can be helpful tool to investigate a criminal network.

Artur_Gaspar 11y ago

As someone commented, it could be the case that Facebook/WhatsApp does not even have the data any more. Also, WhatsApp operates as a separate business from Facebook. In my opinion this looks a lot more like a display of power by the government, than an actual effort in the investigation. I don't see either how Facebook would be "protecting themselves". They have little to gain and much to lose by not cooperating with the government. It's not about publicity because it wouldn't have made the news at all if they complied. Now, even mentioning the following may be going into conspiracy theory territory, but telephone companies were trying to get WhatsApp banned not long ago. I wouldn't be surprised if this event would further their goals.

danielmantovani 11y ago
Do you really believe that Facebook/WhatsApp don't have the data ? Please we are in 2016, data is everything! Don't you think they sell or use our data for an infinite kind of applications like send ads ? Analysing our personal data like WhatsApp and Facebook they can have so minimum details about us and classify in really minimum groups of "publicity". The mankind never in history had so mach data and ways(powerful computers) to compute it like today. it is not a stupid conspiracy theory, Google does read our email to sell ads and it is in the ToS. The question is, just because it isn't in the ToS it doesn't exist ? And nobody can investigate it ?
- Artur_Gaspar 11y ago
  Yes, I believe it is possible that they don't have the data. No, I don't think they collect private messages for targeted advertising or for any purposes at all.
  - danielmantovani 11y ago
    All my friends from Whatsapp show as Facebook suggestion just occasionally.

pmarreck 11y ago

Try and struggle through this please http://martinfowler.com/articles/bothersome-privacy.html http://martinfowler.com/articles/bothersome-privacy.html Or read the google-translated version into Portuguese https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=pt&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmartinfowler.com%2Farticles%2Fbothersome-privacy.html&edit-text= https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=pt&js=y&pr... It explains very well why this is no trivial issue to Americans nor to tech people. Also, your drugs should be legalized or decriminalized, anyway. It would put all the bad guys out of business and bring the entire drug market back within regulation. Portugal did it and it's considered a success, why can't Brazil?

schoen 11y ago
That article includes a link to an official Portuguese translation, which is still available at http://lixo.org/blog/2013/08/05/privacidade-protege-pessoas-incomodas http://lixo.org/blog/2013/08/05/privacidade-protege-pessoas-...
- pmarreck 11y ago
  ah. oops.
danielmantovani 11y ago
Is really hard to separe what should be known and what should not. Like is total absolute right for many reasons as repression write about an government in anonymous. But it is right spread a video from a naked girl from work who got drunk and slept with you ? That's happen EVERY SINGLE DAY here in Brazil, guys take advantage from girls and screw up they life. Would be quick easy track the first person who did share the video, and this morons in most of the times don't think in use a proxy, Tor or something like. Because if they could think, they would never destroy a person's life doing such stupidness in exception psychopaths.
nandemo 11y ago
First, > For many people, privacy is a fundamental right - they see no reason why a government should be meddling in my affairs without a more specific reason than a blanket search for possible terrorism. ... this is not about blanket searches, and: > I'm not saying that privacy is an absolute. Foiling criminal activity often means breaching privacy - a database of phone calls can be helpful tool to investigate a criminal network.