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I don't know, a lot of these things seem to have analogs to human drivers. I can cause emergency braking on the road outside my house by behaving like I'm abou

I don't know, a lot of these things seem to have analogs to human drivers. I can cause emergency braking on the road outside my house by behaving like I'm about to run into the street while never leaving the sidewalk. I could get on an overpass and shine a bright spotlight in drivers' eyes at night. I get what the author is saying, and there will be a continual need to improve self driving cars. Sure there may be different ways to troll them, but I don't think he makes a strong case that they will be particularly more troll-able than humans.

setra 11y ago
I am more inclined to say that they are already good enough, and that this was probably the fault of the bus driver, as they tend to be VERY aggressive drivers that play a game of chicken with the cars around them every time they turn.
fixermark 11y ago
Really, the only question that differs usefully is whether self-driving cars are deterministic enough to be reliably trollable. Which if they take off, we'll probably find "Yes, until the machine-learning algorithm at the top aggregates the metrics from multiple cars on the road, devises a new rule, and pushes that rule via auto-update."
- cornellwright 11y ago
  It's more than just deterministic, but deterministic and stupid enough to make do some really undesired behavior. Using the same example as before, if I run a full speed toward the street, almost every car is going to screech to a halt. Doing this a rush hour, would be incredibly disruptive and probably cause a small traffic jam if no one made me stop. The question with self driving cars will be, for example, can a group of people "herd" one into a garage to steal it, or perhaps get it to do something crazy like drive into a lake. My guess is at some point the car will just sit there, just like you would if a huge group of kids were trying to do this to you.
- xkcd-sucks 11y ago
  New rules like "ignore orange traffic cones," etc.

setra 11y ago

I am more inclined to say that they are already good enough, and that this was probably the fault of the bus driver, as they tend to be VERY aggressive drivers that play a game of chicken with the cars around them every time they turn.

fixermark 11y ago

Really, the only question that differs usefully is whether self-driving cars are deterministic enough to be reliably trollable. Which if they take off, we'll probably find "Yes, until the machine-learning algorithm at the top aggregates the metrics from multiple cars on the road, devises a new rule, and pushes that rule via auto-update."

cornellwright 11y ago
It's more than just deterministic, but deterministic and stupid enough to make do some really undesired behavior. Using the same example as before, if I run a full speed toward the street, almost every car is going to screech to a halt. Doing this a rush hour, would be incredibly disruptive and probably cause a small traffic jam if no one made me stop. The question with self driving cars will be, for example, can a group of people "herd" one into a garage to steal it, or perhaps get it to do something crazy like drive into a lake. My guess is at some point the car will just sit there, just like you would if a huge group of kids were trying to do this to you.
xkcd-sucks 11y ago
New rules like "ignore orange traffic cones," etc.