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>Some of us, I think most of us, still have internal and interpersonal lives that are not shared with our devices. I'm having difficulty thinking of a single p

>Some of us, I think most of us, still have internal and interpersonal lives that are not shared with our devices. I'm having difficulty thinking of a single part of my life that isn't shared with my devices. My smartphone can be used to discover where I am at any given time, and where I probably was at any given time. Reasonable guesses about my state of mind and stream of thoughts could be constructed from my search history on the device. It can access any and all of my personal documents, photos, and financial information. It provides access to a matrix of nearly all of my social and professional contacts, and a fair bit of history regarding my current and historical interactions with them. It provides access to entry and exit logs for the doors and windows in my home, recordings of all persons approaching or entering its doors, and even logs about which lights I turn on and when. Most noteworthy is that the information above is almost certainly of higher quality and breadth than anything law enforcement previously (in a pre-digital age) could have assembled on their own.

zdkl 11y ago
>>Some of us, I think most of us, still have internal and interpersonal lives that are not shared with our devices. >I'm having difficulty thinking of a single part of my life that isn't shared with my devices. Well, yes you have explained how you share just about everything with your smartphone but is that supposed to prove that there is no other way? You could just (maybe) use a little more discretion with a tool that you apparently know, understand and accept, can siphon any information in its vicinity. I hate hearing the recurring point about "if I don't do everything on my phone I'll cease to function", why can't we collectively adapt our consumption to the tools available and stop expecting all tools to have our best interests in mind?
- sithadmin 11y ago
  >You could just (maybe) use a little more discretion with a tool that you apparently know, understand and accept, can siphon any information in its vicinity. I don't see any need to. My smartphone is a valuable source of real-time and archived information, time-saving automation, and provides great social utility. > why can't we collectively adapt our consumption to the tools available I have, in a way that suits my needs and lifestyle. >stop expecting all tools to have our best interests in mind I never expected this, and still don't. I also don't expect my government to have my personal best interests in mind, which is why I'm quite interested in limiting its ability to seize and search my personal effects, including my smartphone.
sandworm101 11y ago
Put it down and back away from the phone. There are some of us old enough to remember the days when phone+internet was a thing. Work got done, very good work. Law enforcement still physically follow people. They can get a location, but a phone in a pocket cannot understand what a person is doing at a location, or even who they talk to. And phones are subject to massive disinformation. (ie plant phone on someone else/leave on bus). So it is impossible for a cop at any terminal to replicate the quality of information gained by a physical tail.
- sithadmin 11y ago
  >There are some of us old enough to remember the days when phone+internet was a thing. Work got done, very good work. I don't care how old you happen to be, or how rose-tinted your memories are. My smartphone and associated personal devices and services allow me to meet business, personal, and social goals in an efficient and effective manner. I have access to better information and get things done more quickly with my phone than without. I don't find it to be a drain on my productivity or my lifestyle. >a phone in a pocket cannot understand what a person is doing at a location, or even who they talk to. And phones are subject to massive disinformation. (ie plant phone on someone else/leave on bus). So it is impossible for a cop at any terminal to replicate the quality of information gained by a physical tail. This is irrelevant. Law enforcement and prosecutors tend to weaponize whatever personal data can be gleaned from civilians they are targeting, regardless of quality. Aside from my own personal measures to ensure such data is reasonably difficult for an unauthorized party to obtain, there ought to be strong controls on the ability of the state and its agents to acquire such data.

zdkl 11y ago

>>Some of us, I think most of us, still have internal and interpersonal lives that are not shared with our devices. >I'm having difficulty thinking of a single part of my life that isn't shared with my devices. Well, yes you have explained how you share just about everything with your smartphone but is that supposed to prove that there is no other way? You could just (maybe) use a little more discretion with a tool that you apparently know, understand and accept, can siphon any information in its vicinity. I hate hearing the recurring point about "if I don't do everything on my phone I'll cease to function", why can't we collectively adapt our consumption to the tools available and stop expecting all tools to have our best interests in mind?

sithadmin 11y ago
>You could just (maybe) use a little more discretion with a tool that you apparently know, understand and accept, can siphon any information in its vicinity. I don't see any need to. My smartphone is a valuable source of real-time and archived information, time-saving automation, and provides great social utility. > why can't we collectively adapt our consumption to the tools available I have, in a way that suits my needs and lifestyle. >stop expecting all tools to have our best interests in mind I never expected this, and still don't. I also don't expect my government to have my personal best interests in mind, which is why I'm quite interested in limiting its ability to seize and search my personal effects, including my smartphone.

sandworm101 11y ago

Put it down and back away from the phone. There are some of us old enough to remember the days when phone+internet was a thing. Work got done, very good work. Law enforcement still physically follow people. They can get a location, but a phone in a pocket cannot understand what a person is doing at a location, or even who they talk to. And phones are subject to massive disinformation. (ie plant phone on someone else/leave on bus). So it is impossible for a cop at any terminal to replicate the quality of information gained by a physical tail.

sithadmin 11y ago
>There are some of us old enough to remember the days when phone+internet was a thing. Work got done, very good work. I don't care how old you happen to be, or how rose-tinted your memories are. My smartphone and associated personal devices and services allow me to meet business, personal, and social goals in an efficient and effective manner. I have access to better information and get things done more quickly with my phone than without. I don't find it to be a drain on my productivity or my lifestyle. >a phone in a pocket cannot understand what a person is doing at a location, or even who they talk to. And phones are subject to massive disinformation. (ie plant phone on someone else/leave on bus). So it is impossible for a cop at any terminal to replicate the quality of information gained by a physical tail. This is irrelevant. Law enforcement and prosecutors tend to weaponize whatever personal data can be gleaned from civilians they are targeting, regardless of quality. Aside from my own personal measures to ensure such data is reasonably difficult for an unauthorized party to obtain, there ought to be strong controls on the ability of the state and its agents to acquire such data.