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I'm not paranoid or a conspiracy nut, but I can see where people would jump to the conclusion this is being done purposefully by the government to extend its bl

I'm not paranoid or a conspiracy nut, but I can see where people would jump to the conclusion this is being done purposefully by the government to extend its blanket surveillance of the population. I may not be able to hack your iphone, but if I can get on your network through a rather easy means, it will give me access to what the information I really want and then correlate it with the rest of the information they can get from the carriers. I would imagine this is exactly the sort of soft target the NSA looks for.

davidhowlett 11y ago
Hanlon's razor: "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
- taneq 11y ago
  Clark's Law: Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
darpa_escapee 11y ago
Incompetence is convenient to state actors, hence why there is a panic that people are waking up to its consequences and will end up using encryption competently. I wouldn't say it is at all intentional.
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NoMoreNicksLeft 11y ago
I wish it were being done by the government. If only it was some supervillain using mind control, slowly acquiring all these weird and ubiquitous credentials so they could spy on me... While that would be bad, there's a way to fix this. We can expose the supervillain, fix the problem, and TA-DA! everything's good again. What I actually suspect is that the typical person is just dumb enough (and hey, I'm not doing the superiority complex thing here, pretty sure it applies to me too) to let this happen accidentally. We don't need to be manipulated or brainwashed or tricked. We'll do this because Amazon will list the bad device 2 cents cheaper, and the companies making the good stuff anticipate this and don't bother to make the 2-cents-more-expensive-but-better one. It helps that people are oblivious to how damning metadata is. One could easily foresee being able to tell who is adulterous just by when the front door opens and closes, for instance.
- CamperBob2 11y ago
  It helps that people are oblivious to how damning metadata is. One could easily foresee being able to tell who is adulterous just by when the front door opens and closes, for instance. And in some other parts of the world, far removed from TV cameras and annoying privacy advocates, that's basically how we decide who gets a drone strike. Metadata is really, really important... otherwise the government wouldn't be interested in collecting it.
Phlarp 11y ago
This is really just silly, anybody working "on the ground" so to speak with technology understands there is no need for malice here. I would agree with the narrative that so far in the digital age the elephant in the room (NSA) has purposefully withheld security related information based on the calculus that "it's worth having insecure things floating around, so long as it's mostly just us that is capable of hacking them at scale"-- that math is rapidly changing now, hopefully their policies and objectives will shift with it.

davidhowlett 11y ago

Hanlon's razor: "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

taneq 11y ago
Clark's Law: Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.

darpa_escapee 11y ago

Incompetence is convenient to state actors, hence why there is a panic that people are waking up to its consequences and will end up using encryption competently. I wouldn't say it is at all intentional.

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NoMoreNicksLeft 11y ago

I wish it were being done by the government. If only it was some supervillain using mind control, slowly acquiring all these weird and ubiquitous credentials so they could spy on me... While that would be bad, there's a way to fix this. We can expose the supervillain, fix the problem, and TA-DA! everything's good again. What I actually suspect is that the typical person is just dumb enough (and hey, I'm not doing the superiority complex thing here, pretty sure it applies to me too) to let this happen accidentally. We don't need to be manipulated or brainwashed or tricked. We'll do this because Amazon will list the bad device 2 cents cheaper, and the companies making the good stuff anticipate this and don't bother to make the 2-cents-more-expensive-but-better one. It helps that people are oblivious to how damning metadata is. One could easily foresee being able to tell who is adulterous just by when the front door opens and closes, for instance.

CamperBob2 11y ago
It helps that people are oblivious to how damning metadata is. One could easily foresee being able to tell who is adulterous just by when the front door opens and closes, for instance. And in some other parts of the world, far removed from TV cameras and annoying privacy advocates, that's basically how we decide who gets a drone strike. Metadata is really, really important... otherwise the government wouldn't be interested in collecting it.

Phlarp 11y ago

This is really just silly, anybody working "on the ground" so to speak with technology understands there is no need for malice here. I would agree with the narrative that so far in the digital age the elephant in the room (NSA) has purposefully withheld security related information based on the calculus that "it's worth having insecure things floating around, so long as it's mostly just us that is capable of hacking them at scale"-- that math is rapidly changing now, hopefully their policies and objectives will shift with it.