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Such hover, Much animation.

by subie 11y ago

btdiehr 11y ago
One thing I find interesting about programming forums is without fail, a good portion of every discussion divulges into off topic, largely useless and redundant commentary on one of the following: - Page uses JavaScript (when it doesn't need to) - The page uses too many animations - The page size is too large While I love hacker news discussion for the most part, these reoccurring themes seem to never, ever die.
- steve-howard 11y ago
  I've occasionally been known to let my annoyance get the better of me, and post a complaint about the article. Many times it's because an article exhibits a "helpful" feature that frustrates the way I use my computer; the NY Times, for example, changes the text size when I double click to highlight a word. I do feel like nobody's interested in hearing it most of the time, but I also feel like such a comment would naturally fall near the bottom, out of the way of any real discussion that might crop up but above the trolls. What's so wrong with having a tangential but not harmful comment on what's annoying us about the medium?
- coldtea 11y ago
  If a page breaks when I have Javascript disabled I just assume I am a bizarro troglodyte and deserve it. I don't know why people assume they somehow deserve to see the page and then complain about it.
  - blub 11y ago
    You're not a bizarro X or Y, you just gave up on expecting that front end web developers have some professional pride and self-restraint left to not use a ton of JS frameworks plus 3rd party tracking and advertising for the simplest HTML documents.
- DanBC 11y ago
  You can point people to dang's comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9238739 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9238739 > A reader emailed to complain about how this and other HN discussions often become derailed by off-topic carping about blog design. I agree completely. Could there be a more classic form of bikeshedding? It would seem parodic if it weren't sadly real. This has become more of a thing on HN lately. It needs to become less of a thing. > I don't mean to pick on you personally, or just on this one comment. (Your second sentence alone, by the way, would have been a helpful contribution.) The problem is the tedious stampedes such comments spawn.
- makecheck 11y ago
  It becomes relevant when the point of a web site is completely lost due to its fluff. In this case, I was so distracted by the constant animation/scroll pattern that I couldn’t be bothered to read to the end.
  - degenerate 11y ago
    Also, the engineering mindset is such that we are going to care about the engine. Take a pilot on a scenic helicopter tour, and he's going to be at least a bit interested in your helicopter and how it functions, and have more opinions on that rather than the scenic part. Likewise, show a webpage to a group of engineers and developers... and we're going to have opinions on your site.
- fapjacks 11y ago
  That's because there is a big part of the HN reader community which only gets as technical as discussing the relative merits of various kinds of ovals, and maybe even sometimes the JS behind the UI. That's what they know, so that's what they talk about. And there's nothing wrong with that, really.
- marssaxman 11y ago
  If we don't complain when designers do these awful things, what will motivate them to stop?
vmorgulis 11y ago
Reminds me the geeky asciiart ad of Chrome for Linux.
huac 11y ago
http://toaster.co/project/google-bar-foo/ http://toaster.co/project/google-bar-foo/
- tyingq 11y ago
  To you, it's odd that our recruiting propaganda had to be outsourced when the message is roughly: Google engineers are very capable.
  - morgante 11y ago
    Perhaps because Google engineers are very capable it's not worth using their time on a small marketing site.
    - tyingq 11y ago
      It's the specific irony of the situation. Like outsourcing a "MADE IN THE USA" poster to be made...outside the USA.

Such hover, Much animation.

by subie 11y ago

Such hover, Much animation.

One thing I find interesting about programming forums is without fail, a good portion of every discussion divulges into off topic, largely useless and redundant commentary on one of the following: - Page uses JavaScript (when it doesn't need to) - The page uses too many animations - The page size is too large While I love hacker news discussion for the most part, these reoccurring themes seem to never, ever die.

steve-howard 11y ago
I've occasionally been known to let my annoyance get the better of me, and post a complaint about the article. Many times it's because an article exhibits a "helpful" feature that frustrates the way I use my computer; the NY Times, for example, changes the text size when I double click to highlight a word. I do feel like nobody's interested in hearing it most of the time, but I also feel like such a comment would naturally fall near the bottom, out of the way of any real discussion that might crop up but above the trolls. What's so wrong with having a tangential but not harmful comment on what's annoying us about the medium?
coldtea 11y ago
If a page breaks when I have Javascript disabled I just assume I am a bizarro troglodyte and deserve it. I don't know why people assume they somehow deserve to see the page and then complain about it.
- blub 11y ago
  You're not a bizarro X or Y, you just gave up on expecting that front end web developers have some professional pride and self-restraint left to not use a ton of JS frameworks plus 3rd party tracking and advertising for the simplest HTML documents.
DanBC 11y ago
You can point people to dang's comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9238739 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9238739 > A reader emailed to complain about how this and other HN discussions often become derailed by off-topic carping about blog design. I agree completely. Could there be a more classic form of bikeshedding? It would seem parodic if it weren't sadly real. This has become more of a thing on HN lately. It needs to become less of a thing. > I don't mean to pick on you personally, or just on this one comment. (Your second sentence alone, by the way, would have been a helpful contribution.) The problem is the tedious stampedes such comments spawn.
makecheck 11y ago
It becomes relevant when the point of a web site is completely lost due to its fluff. In this case, I was so distracted by the constant animation/scroll pattern that I couldn’t be bothered to read to the end.
- degenerate 11y ago
  Also, the engineering mindset is such that we are going to care about the engine. Take a pilot on a scenic helicopter tour, and he's going to be at least a bit interested in your helicopter and how it functions, and have more opinions on that rather than the scenic part. Likewise, show a webpage to a group of engineers and developers... and we're going to have opinions on your site.
fapjacks 11y ago
That's because there is a big part of the HN reader community which only gets as technical as discussing the relative merits of various kinds of ovals, and maybe even sometimes the JS behind the UI. That's what they know, so that's what they talk about. And there's nothing wrong with that, really.
marssaxman 11y ago
If we don't complain when designers do these awful things, what will motivate them to stop?

vmorgulis 11y ago

Reminds me the geeky asciiart ad of Chrome for Linux.

huac 11y ago

http://toaster.co/project/google-bar-foo/ http://toaster.co/project/google-bar-foo/

tyingq 11y ago
To you, it's odd that our recruiting propaganda had to be outsourced when the message is roughly: Google engineers are very capable.
- morgante 11y ago
  Perhaps because Google engineers are very capable it's not worth using their time on a small marketing site.
  - tyingq 11y ago
    It's the specific irony of the situation. Like outsourcing a "MADE IN THE USA" poster to be made...outside the USA.