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it's a tool. do you "love" and "hate" hammers and screwdrivers? get over it already.

by andrewcooke 17y ago

wanderr 17y ago
When I have to work with them for any length of time, I certainly do hate some screwdrivers more than others.
- andrewcooke 17y ago
  so what word would you use for the feelings you might have towards someone that rapes your kid sister? "i really hate ..."? it's silly (for anyone other than adolescents) to use such extreme words for such commonplace things.
  - wanderr 17y ago
    Uh huh. And if you say you love pizza, does your significant other get jealous?
    - andrewcooke 17y ago
      i'm not sure how i can make it more clear, but fwiw i don't say i love pizza. if i did, then what i posted earlier wouldn't make much sense, would it? oh, hang on. here we go. maybe this will make things clearer: saying "love" and "hate" is really stupid and i hate it and you suck. presumably that connects?
wglb 17y ago
I see what you are saying, but I once had to use Fortran for an extensive, difficult project. Fortran IV i think it was. There were, I thought, absolutely unreasonable restrictions where you could put expressions, like they were not allowed in parts of DO loops. I was sufficiently angry that my next career move was into the compiler field where I wrote code generators for a couple of compilers. Had a blast. So yes, we probably shouldn't hate our tools. Because if we do, there are consequences.
- earl 17y ago
  Hatred is a natural outcome of working with inferior tools.
weaksauce 17y ago
Yeah. As someone who gets paid to do something with them I have an opinion of the tools I use. I indeed hate using a tool that is poorly designed no matter the field. I have used cheap screwdrivers that did not use hard enough metal in the tip to keep the shape of the screwdriver and will strip the screw and cause frustration. Not to mention the poor ergonomics of the handle on cheap screwdrivers. Give me a well made Klein(or snap-on) screwdriver and I am a happy man(happy in the case of utilizing a screwdriver at least.) The same type of critical opinion holds true with software tools and languages.

it's a tool. do you "love" and "hate" hammers and screwdrivers? get over it already.

wanderr 17y ago

When I have to work with them for any length of time, I certainly do hate some screwdrivers more than others.

andrewcooke 17y ago
so what word would you use for the feelings you might have towards someone that rapes your kid sister? "i really hate ..."? it's silly (for anyone other than adolescents) to use such extreme words for such commonplace things.
- wanderr 17y ago
  Uh huh. And if you say you love pizza, does your significant other get jealous?
  - andrewcooke 17y ago
    i'm not sure how i can make it more clear, but fwiw i don't say i love pizza. if i did, then what i posted earlier wouldn't make much sense, would it? oh, hang on. here we go. maybe this will make things clearer: saying "love" and "hate" is really stupid and i hate it and you suck. presumably that connects?

wglb 17y ago

I see what you are saying, but I once had to use Fortran for an extensive, difficult project. Fortran IV i think it was. There were, I thought, absolutely unreasonable restrictions where you could put expressions, like they were not allowed in parts of DO loops. I was sufficiently angry that my next career move was into the compiler field where I wrote code generators for a couple of compilers. Had a blast. So yes, we probably shouldn't hate our tools. Because if we do, there are consequences.

earl 17y ago
Hatred is a natural outcome of working with inferior tools.

weaksauce 17y ago

Yeah. As someone who gets paid to do something with them I have an opinion of the tools I use. I indeed hate using a tool that is poorly designed no matter the field. I have used cheap screwdrivers that did not use hard enough metal in the tip to keep the shape of the screwdriver and will strip the screw and cause frustration. Not to mention the poor ergonomics of the handle on cheap screwdrivers. Give me a well made Klein(or snap-on) screwdriver and I am a happy man(happy in the case of utilizing a screwdriver at least.) The same type of critical opinion holds true with software tools and languages.