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Because it is likely that this whole thing wasn't written "because it is interesting" or "contains valuable information", but because it probably fulfills some

Because it is likely that this whole thing wasn't written "because it is interesting" or "contains valuable information", but because it probably fulfills some marketing purpose or other hidden motive. I'm basically saying: If you're gonna read this, bring a big salt shaker. Note for example the praise on Berlin as a tech location. Note how effusive it is. Now consider this: Starting offers for developers with 5 years experience at Idealo (property of Axel Springer) in 2010 were 20000 € per year. I don't know any details for other things mentioned in that interview, but i would expect similar things to be "left out" as well.

creshal 11y ago
Axel Springer publications are also among the most notorious offenders of privacy laws whenever they feel like they're missing a juicy scoop otherwise. Of course they're all chubby with Facebook, especially because it allows them to get high-definition photographs of murder victims, suspects and everyone else they want to bring to the immediate attention of their readers: http://www.bildblog.de/77136/sein-wort-in-ihren-ohren/ http://www.bildblog.de/77136/sein-wort-in-ihren-ohren/
kayoone 11y ago
That sounds strange to me. There are a lot of companies searching for good developers in Berlin, working in Berlin myself as a software developer and knowing plenty of others i can't believe they can find anyone halfway decent who would work for that kind of money because there are simply a lot of better options. Besides that, your point is valid, but aren't any kind of awards always about marketing, new connections, brand recognition etc ?
- Mithaldu 11y ago
  There's a difference between advertisement and "submarine ad", wherein the second one claims to provide something specific, while just serving to advertise something else.
SyneRyder 11y ago
€20000? Good grief. Even if I wanted to take that job (as an Australian who'd like to work in Berlin), I couldn't because the minimum pay for an EU Blue Card worker is €38688 and that's with the discounted rate for IT-skilled workers. (Otherwise the company has to offer a minimum €49600 for an EU Blue Card to be granted.)
- Mithaldu 11y ago
  Yeah, i was equally baffled. When i told them 40k would be my absolute minimum they told me "You'd have to work for two then." They were also located in the absolutely cheapest part of Berlin they could be in. If you want to work in Berlin, prepare for a lot of research. It's absolutely possible, however due to the huge population of students, prices can be weird.
  - kayoone 11y ago
    I earn 60k as a software dev in Berlin and know plenty of people who earn at least around the 50k mark. Also i regularly get offers for about the same kind of money or more. 10 years experience, no university degree.
- kayoone 11y ago
  From my experience working as a software dev in Berlin right now, 50k+ salaries are easy to get if you are halfway decent, i earn more than that. 20k is a joke and if true the people working there are super naive juniors or just really bad.
raverbashing 11y ago
20k? What a joke
throwaway211111 11y ago
Just in case some managers rejoice and get ideas, here are the average German IT salaries according to Handelsblatt: http://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/beruf-und-buero/buero-special/gehaltsuebersicht-fuer-2014-tabelle-it-berufe/8934336-5.html http://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/beruf-und-buero/buer... Good luck hiring someone for 20.000 per year.
1337biz 11y ago
probably fulfills some marketing purpose or other hidden motive. Oh, thanks for your valuable insights. Please send us a note once you found a form of human communication that can not be interpreted as "marketing purpose" or "hidden motives".

creshal 11y ago

Axel Springer publications are also among the most notorious offenders of privacy laws whenever they feel like they're missing a juicy scoop otherwise. Of course they're all chubby with Facebook, especially because it allows them to get high-definition photographs of murder victims, suspects and everyone else they want to bring to the immediate attention of their readers: http://www.bildblog.de/77136/sein-wort-in-ihren-ohren/ http://www.bildblog.de/77136/sein-wort-in-ihren-ohren/

kayoone 11y ago

That sounds strange to me. There are a lot of companies searching for good developers in Berlin, working in Berlin myself as a software developer and knowing plenty of others i can't believe they can find anyone halfway decent who would work for that kind of money because there are simply a lot of better options. Besides that, your point is valid, but aren't any kind of awards always about marketing, new connections, brand recognition etc ?

Mithaldu 11y ago
There's a difference between advertisement and "submarine ad", wherein the second one claims to provide something specific, while just serving to advertise something else.

SyneRyder 11y ago

€20000? Good grief. Even if I wanted to take that job (as an Australian who'd like to work in Berlin), I couldn't because the minimum pay for an EU Blue Card worker is €38688 and that's with the discounted rate for IT-skilled workers. (Otherwise the company has to offer a minimum €49600 for an EU Blue Card to be granted.)

Mithaldu 11y ago
Yeah, i was equally baffled. When i told them 40k would be my absolute minimum they told me "You'd have to work for two then." They were also located in the absolutely cheapest part of Berlin they could be in. If you want to work in Berlin, prepare for a lot of research. It's absolutely possible, however due to the huge population of students, prices can be weird.
- kayoone 11y ago
  I earn 60k as a software dev in Berlin and know plenty of people who earn at least around the 50k mark. Also i regularly get offers for about the same kind of money or more. 10 years experience, no university degree.
kayoone 11y ago
From my experience working as a software dev in Berlin right now, 50k+ salaries are easy to get if you are halfway decent, i earn more than that. 20k is a joke and if true the people working there are super naive juniors or just really bad.

raverbashing 11y ago

20k? What a joke

throwaway211111 11y ago

Just in case some managers rejoice and get ideas, here are the average German IT salaries according to Handelsblatt: http://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/beruf-und-buero/buero-special/gehaltsuebersicht-fuer-2014-tabelle-it-berufe/8934336-5.html http://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/beruf-und-buero/buer... Good luck hiring someone for 20.000 per year.

1337biz 11y ago

probably fulfills some marketing purpose or other hidden motive. Oh, thanks for your valuable insights. Please send us a note once you found a form of human communication that can not be interpreted as "marketing purpose" or "hidden motives".