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D&D for the Surface

29 points by swernli 17y ago

davi 17y ago
Cool, but I kind of wonder if D&D has grown close enough as it is to being a board game. For people who want to emphasize storytelling and role-playing, I recommend checking out Burning Wheel: http://www.burningwheel.org/?page_id=2 http://www.burningwheel.org/?page_id=2 That's not to say you can't do good collaborative storytelling etc. in d20, but Burning Wheel has explicit structures & rewards for doing so.
- timwiseman 17y ago
  There are different styles of play. I have been in games that essentially were board games with a visit to shops in between the exploration and combat. I have also been in games that barely touched the dice at all and combat was handled by DM fiat after the players laid out their strategy in very broad terms. Both types can be fun, depending on your personality/mood at the moment. The Storyteller System used by White Wolf for the old World Of Darkness series struck me as a very good balance between the two, back before children and grad school essentially put an end to my playing.
- brehaut 17y ago
  For gamers who are interested in the burning wheel aesthetic but are intimidated by the crunch of the system, I would suggest starting off with the Mouse Guard RPG ( http://archaia.com/blog/titles/mouse-guard-rpg http://archaia.com/blog/titles/mouse-guard-rpg ). It's not a 'lite' system, but it is a boiled down variation on the BWRPG
- jonny_noog 17y ago
  You say "grown" but D&D originally pretty much was a board game primarily. It was only with the later AD&D that things started getting further away from the classic dungeon laid out on a table using miniatures style play and more towards what most old school RPG players might think of when they hear the term "role playing game". And by "RPG" I'm referring in this case to the non-electronic versions played out of books, such as AD&D, any of the Palladium RPGs (Rifts was my favourite) or the original Champions for examples.
presidentender 17y ago
Then we'll see a wargame targeted to the Surface specifically. Then the Surface will be completely dominant and unbeatable.
- swernli 17y ago
  Maybe not for the Surface specifically, but how about just multiplatform but with built in support for Win7 multitouch? For that we'll have R.U.S.E.: http://ruse.us.ubi.com/index.php?page=news&newsid=10422 http://ruse.us.ubi.com/index.php?page=news&newsid=10422
prawn 17y ago
I am dying to get a Surface at home as a coffee table that handles the obvious stuff (photos, music, videos queued to the TV), plus other things like large-format TV guides, weather, bit of home automation, etc. Then add on stuff like home logging (entries whenever lights were switched on/off, front door opened, mail dropped in letterbox, garage door opened, etc) and security (manage security cameras and check videos of your frontdoor while you were out) and so much more. And to keep this remotely topical, I think Scrabble and then 1-6 player Risk would be great also since I'm seriously addicted to playing Lux on my iPhone... Any guesses as to how far we are off for these sorts of things? I'd love to see a line of Surface machines on the market and an app store for them.
Groxx 17y ago
Surface is still active? I've heard squat since it first appeared on the screen, some two years after identical techs were being made all over by the DIY crowd. Last I saw of it, it was still frickin' huge and projected to be really expensive, while the DIY options are simple, small, extensible, and cheap. That said, interesting interface for the game. Seems like it'd be well suited to Warhammer too, given the firing maps & rather complex rules at times. A graphical overview could really enhance strategy.
- prawn 17y ago
  It's offered for sale in Australia for about $21k ($24.5k for developer edition) which is pretty outrageous.
  - cubicle67 17y ago
    I'd love to see a pre-emptive iSupply costing for that one!
- sliverstorm 17y ago
  There was a competition at one point put on by MS I caught wind of involving developing a killer app for Surface. The prize was pretty hefty, and I haven't heard of results, so it's possibly ongoing.
artichokeheart 17y ago
I expect to see something similar on the iPad when it's released too. Of course the pieces would need to be made from sausage to work I'd imagine :)
- cubicle67 17y ago
  Could do. They share the same screen resolution (1024x768)
jeff18 17y ago
If I am ever successful, this is my dream -- having money to sponsor people to make my dream apps like this [and open source them for the community].

29 points by swernli 17y ago

davi 17y ago

Cool, but I kind of wonder if D&D has grown close enough as it is to being a board game. For people who want to emphasize storytelling and role-playing, I recommend checking out Burning Wheel: http://www.burningwheel.org/?page_id=2 http://www.burningwheel.org/?page_id=2 That's not to say you can't do good collaborative storytelling etc. in d20, but Burning Wheel has explicit structures & rewards for doing so.

timwiseman 17y ago
There are different styles of play. I have been in games that essentially were board games with a visit to shops in between the exploration and combat. I have also been in games that barely touched the dice at all and combat was handled by DM fiat after the players laid out their strategy in very broad terms. Both types can be fun, depending on your personality/mood at the moment. The Storyteller System used by White Wolf for the old World Of Darkness series struck me as a very good balance between the two, back before children and grad school essentially put an end to my playing.
brehaut 17y ago
For gamers who are interested in the burning wheel aesthetic but are intimidated by the crunch of the system, I would suggest starting off with the Mouse Guard RPG ( http://archaia.com/blog/titles/mouse-guard-rpg http://archaia.com/blog/titles/mouse-guard-rpg ). It's not a 'lite' system, but it is a boiled down variation on the BWRPG
jonny_noog 17y ago
You say "grown" but D&D originally pretty much was a board game primarily. It was only with the later AD&D that things started getting further away from the classic dungeon laid out on a table using miniatures style play and more towards what most old school RPG players might think of when they hear the term "role playing game". And by "RPG" I'm referring in this case to the non-electronic versions played out of books, such as AD&D, any of the Palladium RPGs (Rifts was my favourite) or the original Champions for examples.

presidentender 17y ago

Then we'll see a wargame targeted to the Surface specifically. Then the Surface will be completely dominant and unbeatable.

swernli 17y ago
Maybe not for the Surface specifically, but how about just multiplatform but with built in support for Win7 multitouch? For that we'll have R.U.S.E.: http://ruse.us.ubi.com/index.php?page=news&newsid=10422 http://ruse.us.ubi.com/index.php?page=news&newsid=10422

prawn 17y ago

I am dying to get a Surface at home as a coffee table that handles the obvious stuff (photos, music, videos queued to the TV), plus other things like large-format TV guides, weather, bit of home automation, etc. Then add on stuff like home logging (entries whenever lights were switched on/off, front door opened, mail dropped in letterbox, garage door opened, etc) and security (manage security cameras and check videos of your frontdoor while you were out) and so much more. And to keep this remotely topical, I think Scrabble and then 1-6 player Risk would be great also since I'm seriously addicted to playing Lux on my iPhone... Any guesses as to how far we are off for these sorts of things? I'd love to see a line of Surface machines on the market and an app store for them.

Groxx 17y ago

Surface is still active? I've heard squat since it first appeared on the screen, some two years after identical techs were being made all over by the DIY crowd. Last I saw of it, it was still frickin' huge and projected to be really expensive, while the DIY options are simple, small, extensible, and cheap. That said, interesting interface for the game. Seems like it'd be well suited to Warhammer too, given the firing maps & rather complex rules at times. A graphical overview could really enhance strategy.

prawn 17y ago
It's offered for sale in Australia for about $21k ($24.5k for developer edition) which is pretty outrageous.
- cubicle67 17y ago
  I'd love to see a pre-emptive iSupply costing for that one!
sliverstorm 17y ago
There was a competition at one point put on by MS I caught wind of involving developing a killer app for Surface. The prize was pretty hefty, and I haven't heard of results, so it's possibly ongoing.

artichokeheart 17y ago

I expect to see something similar on the iPad when it's released too. Of course the pieces would need to be made from sausage to work I'd imagine :)

cubicle67 17y ago
Could do. They share the same screen resolution (1024x768)

jeff18 17y ago

If I am ever successful, this is my dream -- having money to sponsor people to make my dream apps like this [and open source them for the community].