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1 and 2 are simply wrong. If you demand someone with a phd from a top 10 (stanford/cmu, berkeley, michigan, toronto, ny, columbia, UW, etc) then yes, I agree -

by x0x0 11y ago

1 and 2 are simply wrong. If you demand someone with a phd from a top 10 (stanford/cmu, berkeley, michigan, toronto, ny, columbia, UW, etc) then yes, I agree -- but there's probably fewer than 200 of those minted per year. If you realize a cmu ML phd holder isn't going to your startup for $125k + lottery tickets and is instead going to a public company for $200k + $100k in RSUs and are realistic about what you can hire, there are plenty of us with track records of delivering products and making our employers money. That's from my perspective both as hiring manager and an employee. I've been willing to hire both non-phds and outside of the aforementioned schools and really not had much trouble.

bobosha 11y ago
Not sure where you are based, I am an MIT alum and founder of a company in Machine Vision + Deep learning. I have posted job postings for Deep learning engineer on Angelist, every forum I could think of, including attending AI meetups here in Boston, and...and guess how many responses I got? zero, zippo, zilch.... p.s. BTW we are more open to Masters/Bachelor's (less researchy) than Phds.
- gherkin0 11y ago
  Maybe you could hire promising people and let them learn those skills, especially if you want people who are "less researchy." I'm not aware of a huge pool of "Machine Vision + Deep learning" people who are trapped in India because of Wipro using up all the H1Bs on J2EE programmers.
  - bobosha 11y ago
    I am not hiring from India, my intent to hire was international students. I am with the proponents of H1b reform to prevent companies like Wipro & TCS using them for outsourcing/offshoring. But to say "there is no skills shortage" is at best laughable.
    - gherkin0 11y ago
      > I am not hiring from India, my intent to hire was international students. > But to say "there is no skills shortage" is at best laughable. What is stopping you from filling that shortage by training people to have the skills you need? You're trying to hire students forchristsake.
      - bobosha 11y ago
        You once again missed my point, the students i am looking to hire are well versed in AI tech, know a lot about the field, and can hit the ground running (vs some entitled prick who thinks he deserves the job). Broad-brushing I know, but only as a counterpoint to your own.
        gherkin0 11y ago
        > You once again missed my point No, I didn't. I just think your hiring expectations are unreasonable and not at all indicative of any kind of real "skills shortage."
        bobosha 11y ago
        Agree with you. There is definitely no shortage....of entitled, arrogant, lazy, whiny, whingey armchair generals like you. Instead of sharing your infinite wisdom of who I should hire, how I should train them, and what have you...why not start your own company? Hire all this talent pool you claim exists, and show us how it can be done. Be the change you want. But that would involve moving your fat a$$ and might be too much exertion for your royal laziness Unless you have started up a business, and done something worthwhile, you can go shove your advice up your you-know-what.
        gherkin0 11y ago
        > bobosha 10 hours ago | parent > Agree with you. There is definitely no shortage....of entitled, arrogant, lazy, whiny, whingey armchair generals like you. > Instead of sharing your infinite wisdom of who I should hire, how I should train them, and what have you...why not start your own company? Hire all this talent pool you claim exists, and show us how it can be done. Be the change you want. But that would involve moving your fat a$$ and might be too much exertion for your royal laziness > Unless you have started up a business, and done something worthwhile, you can go shove your advice up your you-know-what. Hmm. I wonder if your attitude has any connection to your hiring problem. I certainly wouldn't want to work for someone who acts as immaturely as you are acting now. BTW, I do hire people and I do train them/give them time and guidance to pick up the skills I need them to have, especially if they're less experienced students. I think it's unreasonable to expect that the perfect candidate will just fall out of a university fully formed and into my lap, so I deal with it and do something about it. Apparently you do not, and instead jump to conclusions and hurl put-downs.
  - shas3 11y ago
    >I'm not aware of a huge pool of <blah> What's the snark about here? There are lots of Indian grad students in CS and EE departments across the US. Modulo OPT, they're at the mercy of H1B lotteries. I know of PhDs from EU universities who, without the luxury of OPT, haven't been able to convert successful interviews and skill-matches into actual employment because of H1B's arbitrariness. Many of my friends have had to resort to O1 with varying success after excellent PhD dissertations because the failed to make the cut in H1B. Some had to return to India simply because they failed at both H1B and at meeting the onerous requirements of O1.
- eli_gottlieb 11y ago
  Did you try hiring from the Brain and Cognitive Sciences department?

by x0x0 11y ago

bobosha 11y ago

Not sure where you are based, I am an MIT alum and founder of a company in Machine Vision + Deep learning. I have posted job postings for Deep learning engineer on Angelist, every forum I could think of, including attending AI meetups here in Boston, and...and guess how many responses I got? zero, zippo, zilch.... p.s. BTW we are more open to Masters/Bachelor's (less researchy) than Phds.

gherkin0 11y ago
Maybe you could hire promising people and let them learn those skills, especially if you want people who are "less researchy." I'm not aware of a huge pool of "Machine Vision + Deep learning" people who are trapped in India because of Wipro using up all the H1Bs on J2EE programmers.
- bobosha 11y ago
  I am not hiring from India, my intent to hire was international students. I am with the proponents of H1b reform to prevent companies like Wipro & TCS using them for outsourcing/offshoring. But to say "there is no skills shortage" is at best laughable.
  - gherkin0 11y ago
    > I am not hiring from India, my intent to hire was international students. > But to say "there is no skills shortage" is at best laughable. What is stopping you from filling that shortage by training people to have the skills you need? You're trying to hire students forchristsake.
    - bobosha 11y ago
      You once again missed my point, the students i am looking to hire are well versed in AI tech, know a lot about the field, and can hit the ground running (vs some entitled prick who thinks he deserves the job). Broad-brushing I know, but only as a counterpoint to your own.
      - gherkin0 11y ago
        > You once again missed my point No, I didn't. I just think your hiring expectations are unreasonable and not at all indicative of any kind of real "skills shortage."
        bobosha 11y ago
        Agree with you. There is definitely no shortage....of entitled, arrogant, lazy, whiny, whingey armchair generals like you. Instead of sharing your infinite wisdom of who I should hire, how I should train them, and what have you...why not start your own company? Hire all this talent pool you claim exists, and show us how it can be done. Be the change you want. But that would involve moving your fat a$$ and might be too much exertion for your royal laziness Unless you have started up a business, and done something worthwhile, you can go shove your advice up your you-know-what.
        gherkin0 11y ago
        > bobosha 10 hours ago | parent > Agree with you. There is definitely no shortage....of entitled, arrogant, lazy, whiny, whingey armchair generals like you. > Instead of sharing your infinite wisdom of who I should hire, how I should train them, and what have you...why not start your own company? Hire all this talent pool you claim exists, and show us how it can be done. Be the change you want. But that would involve moving your fat a$$ and might be too much exertion for your royal laziness > Unless you have started up a business, and done something worthwhile, you can go shove your advice up your you-know-what. Hmm. I wonder if your attitude has any connection to your hiring problem. I certainly wouldn't want to work for someone who acts as immaturely as you are acting now. BTW, I do hire people and I do train them/give them time and guidance to pick up the skills I need them to have, especially if they're less experienced students. I think it's unreasonable to expect that the perfect candidate will just fall out of a university fully formed and into my lap, so I deal with it and do something about it. Apparently you do not, and instead jump to conclusions and hurl put-downs.
- shas3 11y ago
  >I'm not aware of a huge pool of <blah> What's the snark about here? There are lots of Indian grad students in CS and EE departments across the US. Modulo OPT, they're at the mercy of H1B lotteries. I know of PhDs from EU universities who, without the luxury of OPT, haven't been able to convert successful interviews and skill-matches into actual employment because of H1B's arbitrariness. Many of my friends have had to resort to O1 with varying success after excellent PhD dissertations because the failed to make the cut in H1B. Some had to return to India simply because they failed at both H1B and at meeting the onerous requirements of O1.
eli_gottlieb 11y ago
Did you try hiring from the Brain and Cognitive Sciences department?