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Bipolar disorder and schizophrenia (the main causes of psychosis) are genetic, not caused by "spiritual crisis". The spiritual stuff is a symptom of psychosis,
by ascorbic 11y ago
Bipolar disorder and schizophrenia (the main causes of psychosis) are genetic, not caused by "spiritual crisis". The spiritual stuff is a symptom of psychosis, not a cause. "Heritability for schizophrenia was 64% and for bipolar disorder 59%."
http://europepmc.org/articles/pmc3879718 http://europepmc.org/articles/pmc3879718
- fiatjaf 11y agoYou don't know that.
- whybroke 11y agoGiven that link, you now both know it. You, however, choose not to believe it.
- fiatjaf 11y agoI do believe in the facts reported by that link (although I don't blame people who don't, scientists in general are not trustworthy). I didn't say that.
- ascorbic 11y agoThe paper that I cited is just one of dozens if not hundreds of studies on the heritability of the diseases. The evidence is overwhelming. Anecdotally, almost everyone I know with serious mental illness has at least one family member who does too.
- fiatjaf 11y agoThe statement that 'Bipolar disorder and schizophrenia (the main causes of psychosis) are genetic, not caused by "spiritual crisis"' is not backed by the results of the paper.
- ascorbic 11y agoYes it is. That's what heritable means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability
- fiatjaf 11y agoFor 59%. Did you read that?
- ascorbic 11y agoRead the "common misunderstandings" section in the Wikipedia article.
- fiatjaf 11y agoThere are many things you don't know and don't know you don't know, that is complicated to explain. I, for sure, am ignorant of a lot too, but at least I know that estimating heritability on the occurrence of bipolar disorder doesn't prove that these disorders are "caused" (you used this word, while the article doesn't) by genetic factors.
- ascorbic 11y agoThey don't use that word because that's what heritability implies. The fact it has a genetic cause doesn't mean that everyone with those genes will have bipolar disorder. Of course I don't know everything. I am however more inclined to believe things with a lot of evidence (such as the genetic basis for schizophrenia and bipolar) rather than those without evidence (that it's caused by spiritual crisis).
- ascorbic 11y agoTo clarify, I'm obviously not saying all spiritual stuff is psychosis! I'm saying that it's very common for the hallucinations and delusions in a psychotic episode to have a spiritual or religious element, such as believing that you are a messenger from God, or that you're having visions.