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Can we stop pretending that apple are taking a privacy stand? They are taking walled garden and vendor locking stand. If they lose this - they must create devic

Can we stop pretending that apple are taking a privacy stand? They are taking walled garden and vendor locking stand. If they lose this - they must create device that even they cannot compromise. After all any device that is secure from apple is not easy to be forced to stay in the apple ecosystem. Sony cares more about my privacy by not caring about what happens with their device after sale - I can unlock my bootloader, put clean AOSP, put firewall and only use F-Droid apps that I have installed. Apple fight is about - we want to have total control over our users, but we don't want to share it with USG. Well - that is not how it works.

zepto 11y ago
This is false at face value. Anyone who would rather maintain the security of their own device after purchase can do so by choosing a suitable android phone as you have done. There is nothing Apple can do to force users to stay in their ecosystem. Their fight is about maintaining the privacy of people who choose to be their customers.
- venomsnake 11y ago
  The "we only allow software signed by us" on iphones is forcing people quite a bit when bought iphones. There are no legal ways for a person to load their OS on the apple devices. Or alternate app stores.
  - zepto 11y ago
    Nobody is forced to buy an iPhone, and the fact that apps must be approved by Apple is not only public, but is a selling point that Apple advertises. Where is Apple forcing anyone to do anything?
    - venomsnake 11y ago
      If you buy apple ios hardware you are forced to use apple software. You cannot install lets say Debian. Not because it could not be reversed engineered enough to be built for it, but because apple has the walled garden's keys. Compare that to macbooks and x86 pc-s in which you could load anything you like. So apple are forcing you to use their software to be able to utilize their iDevices at all.
      - zepto 11y ago
        How do they force you to buy their hardware?
studentrob 11y ago
> If they lose this - they must create device that even they cannot compromise That's the reported plan even if they win. At any rate, it opens the door for a competitor to offer a secure product. I'd love it if Apple would do this but they can act as they wish, that's their right. For now I'll support what I believe in, the right to privacy, and encourage Apple to give us self signed systems (maybe dual signed?) in the future.

zepto 11y ago

This is false at face value. Anyone who would rather maintain the security of their own device after purchase can do so by choosing a suitable android phone as you have done. There is nothing Apple can do to force users to stay in their ecosystem. Their fight is about maintaining the privacy of people who choose to be their customers.

venomsnake 11y ago
The "we only allow software signed by us" on iphones is forcing people quite a bit when bought iphones. There are no legal ways for a person to load their OS on the apple devices. Or alternate app stores.
- zepto 11y ago
  Nobody is forced to buy an iPhone, and the fact that apps must be approved by Apple is not only public, but is a selling point that Apple advertises. Where is Apple forcing anyone to do anything?
  - venomsnake 11y ago
    If you buy apple ios hardware you are forced to use apple software. You cannot install lets say Debian. Not because it could not be reversed engineered enough to be built for it, but because apple has the walled garden's keys. Compare that to macbooks and x86 pc-s in which you could load anything you like. So apple are forcing you to use their software to be able to utilize their iDevices at all.
    - zepto 11y ago
      How do they force you to buy their hardware?

studentrob 11y ago

> If they lose this - they must create device that even they cannot compromise That's the reported plan even if they win. At any rate, it opens the door for a competitor to offer a secure product. I'd love it if Apple would do this but they can act as they wish, that's their right. For now I'll support what I believe in, the right to privacy, and encourage Apple to give us self signed systems (maybe dual signed?) in the future.