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Disagreement doesn't mean a relationship must turn sour. The government's decision to begin the AWA filing without notifying Apple, instead leaving Apple to fi

Disagreement doesn't mean a relationship must turn sour. The government's decision to begin the AWA filing without notifying Apple, instead leaving Apple to find out about it from the press, probably did not help the relationship. There's not much I see from the government's side attempting to further relations with Apple. The upcoming encryption bill due out in March is another example. How much do you want to bet Apple has not been asked for their input while drafting it?

sigmar 11y ago
>The government's decision to begin the AWA filing without notifying Apple, instead leaving Apple to find out about it from the press, probably did not help the relationship. This doesn't seem substantiated by facts. Apple had been discussing the case with the fbi for 2 months (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/18/technology/apple-timothy-cook-fbi-san-bernardino.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/18/technology/apple-timothy-c...). Also Apple wanted the order to unlock it to be kept secret, and the fbi did not (there's another nytimes source on this, can't find it at the moment).
- studentrob 11y ago
  Cook stated this in his interview. The government would say otherwise if that weren't true. 15:12 David Muir: You have talked to the President before on these issues [yes] of privacy and security. Are you disappointed there wasn't more of a dialog with the administration before this swift action from the justice department? Tim Cook: Yes. David Muir: You wish there was more done? Tim Cook: Yes. And I think there should've been... We found out about the filing from the press. And, I don't think that's the way it should be run. And I don't think that something so important to this country should be handled in this way. http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/exclusive-apple-ceo-tim-cook-sits-david-muir-37174976 http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/exclusive-apple-ceo-tim-cook...
  - sigmar 11y ago
    Hmmm that seems to contradict the source the NYTimes used here: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/technology/how-tim-cook-became-a-bulwark-for-digital-privacy.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/technology/how-tim-cook-be... >Apple had asked the F.B.I. to issue its application for the tool under seal. But the government made it public, prompting Mr. Cook to go into bunker mode to draft a response, according to people privy to the discussions, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
    - studentrob 11y ago
      Both could be true. Like, they discussed it awhile back, Apple asked them to keep it private, and Apple's request was their last communication before the FBI filed. No reason for Cook to lie here, it'd just make the relationship worse.
      - sigmar 11y ago
        Yea, that's true. The nytimes source could be a gov't employee, which could want to represent Apple in a less favorable light.
rayiner 11y ago
This is a really weird situation where HN is calling for the government to ignore public opinion and seek the input of a giant corporation in crafting legislation: http://www.people-press.org/2016/02/22/more-support-for-justice-department-than-for-apple-in-dispute-over-unlocking-iphone.[1] http://www.people-press.org/2016/02/22/more-support-for-just... [1] People have been trying to discount this survey asserting that those polled just don't get it. But support for the FBI's position holds across age groups (even folks 18-29), extends to highly educated people (those with post-grad educations), and is similar whether or not people have heard a lot or a little about the issue.
- facetube 11y ago
  That poll asked respondents if "Apple should unlock the iPhone", failing to mention that doing so requires that Apple write new software it does not currently possess. Follow-up questions assessing respondents' knowledge of the factual steps required to comply would have brought a lot more clarity IMO.
  - afarrell 11y ago
    Sure, but conflicts between public opinion and a corporation's favored policy often involve the public being underinformed about the technical details involved. The irony stands.
    - hugi 11y ago
      I see nothing ironic about me not wanting government backdoors built into my phone. I'm quite capable of forming my own opinion and I don't care about "public opinion". Especially in this case since I find the public opinion somewhat ridicilous and in extreme conflict with my view of the world. You should never base your opinion on _who_ says stuff, that's childish. It's the content of the message that matters.
      - rand1012 11y ago
        Agreed 100%.

sigmar 11y ago

>The government's decision to begin the AWA filing without notifying Apple, instead leaving Apple to find out about it from the press, probably did not help the relationship. This doesn't seem substantiated by facts. Apple had been discussing the case with the fbi for 2 months (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/18/technology/apple-timothy-cook-fbi-san-bernardino.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/18/technology/apple-timothy-c...). Also Apple wanted the order to unlock it to be kept secret, and the fbi did not (there's another nytimes source on this, can't find it at the moment).

studentrob 11y ago
Cook stated this in his interview. The government would say otherwise if that weren't true. 15:12 David Muir: You have talked to the President before on these issues [yes] of privacy and security. Are you disappointed there wasn't more of a dialog with the administration before this swift action from the justice department? Tim Cook: Yes. David Muir: You wish there was more done? Tim Cook: Yes. And I think there should've been... We found out about the filing from the press. And, I don't think that's the way it should be run. And I don't think that something so important to this country should be handled in this way. http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/exclusive-apple-ceo-tim-cook-sits-david-muir-37174976 http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/exclusive-apple-ceo-tim-cook...
- sigmar 11y ago
  Hmmm that seems to contradict the source the NYTimes used here: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/technology/how-tim-cook-became-a-bulwark-for-digital-privacy.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/technology/how-tim-cook-be... >Apple had asked the F.B.I. to issue its application for the tool under seal. But the government made it public, prompting Mr. Cook to go into bunker mode to draft a response, according to people privy to the discussions, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
  - studentrob 11y ago
    Both could be true. Like, they discussed it awhile back, Apple asked them to keep it private, and Apple's request was their last communication before the FBI filed. No reason for Cook to lie here, it'd just make the relationship worse.
    - sigmar 11y ago
      Yea, that's true. The nytimes source could be a gov't employee, which could want to represent Apple in a less favorable light.

rayiner 11y ago

This is a really weird situation where HN is calling for the government to ignore public opinion and seek the input of a giant corporation in crafting legislation: http://www.people-press.org/2016/02/22/more-support-for-justice-department-than-for-apple-in-dispute-over-unlocking-iphone.[1] http://www.people-press.org/2016/02/22/more-support-for-just... [1] People have been trying to discount this survey asserting that those polled just don't get it. But support for the FBI's position holds across age groups (even folks 18-29), extends to highly educated people (those with post-grad educations), and is similar whether or not people have heard a lot or a little about the issue.

facetube 11y ago
That poll asked respondents if "Apple should unlock the iPhone", failing to mention that doing so requires that Apple write new software it does not currently possess. Follow-up questions assessing respondents' knowledge of the factual steps required to comply would have brought a lot more clarity IMO.
- afarrell 11y ago
  Sure, but conflicts between public opinion and a corporation's favored policy often involve the public being underinformed about the technical details involved. The irony stands.
  - hugi 11y ago
    I see nothing ironic about me not wanting government backdoors built into my phone. I'm quite capable of forming my own opinion and I don't care about "public opinion". Especially in this case since I find the public opinion somewhat ridicilous and in extreme conflict with my view of the world. You should never base your opinion on _who_ says stuff, that's childish. It's the content of the message that matters.
    - rand1012 11y ago
      Agreed 100%.