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> He left his teaching post under something of a cloud – he had hit one of his pupils so hard that she lost consciousness Translation: dudebro's a child abuser

> He left his teaching post under something of a cloud – he had hit one of his pupils so hard that she lost consciousness Translation: dudebro's a child abuser.

mafribe 11y ago
I wonder why this is downvoted. L Wittgenstein's behaviour as a teacher was in parts terrible, and hitting a pupil so hard she collapses is hardly good pedagogy. Parents in the village wrote a letter to the school authorities to have Wittgenstein removed. Given that this happened at a time when corporeal punishment was widely accepted, he must have been extreme. * * * W has acquired acolytes that refuse to have anything negative published about the master. That also the reason why you rarely read about W's sex life, which is ... interesting.
- garyclarke27 11y ago
  When I was in school in the 70's, I was hit and canned by teachers, was socially acceptable then, of course knocking unconscious is going a bit too far. I don't think he molested his pupils, more a reflection of his intensity about learning and frustration with students who didn't share this, many of his pupils loved him and performed exceptionally well under his tutelage.
  - mafribe 11y ago
    I agree that corporeal punishment was generally accepted at the time. This is why I suspect (but don't know and surely can't prove, and might be wildly off the mark) that the primary reason the parents petitioned the authorities to get him removed was to do with his sexual preferences for boys. P
    - pekk 11y ago
      I have seen it written before that Wittgenstein had romantic associations with both men and women, but I have never read that he was a pedophile.
      - mafribe 11y ago
        Pedophile is the wrong expression! Maybe ephebophile is more appropriate?
- privong 11y ago
  > I wonder why this is downvoted. Wittgenstein's behaviour is certainly inexcuseable. However, I downvoted the comment because "dudebro's a child abuser" adds nothing to the discussion and the use of "dudebro" suggests the commenter is not interested in engaging in constructive dialog.
  - mafribe 11y ago
    Good point, I agree, it's not a constructive contribution. I should have paid more attention to the tone of the post.
dredmorbius 11y ago
Substantively true, by current standards, and even at the time, with a further more serious incident later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haidbauer_incident?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haidbauer_incident?wprov=sfla1

> He left his teaching post under something of a cloud – he had hit one of his pupils so hard that she lost consciousness Translation: dudebro's a child abuser.

mafribe 11y ago

I wonder why this is downvoted. L Wittgenstein's behaviour as a teacher was in parts terrible, and hitting a pupil so hard she collapses is hardly good pedagogy. Parents in the village wrote a letter to the school authorities to have Wittgenstein removed. Given that this happened at a time when corporeal punishment was widely accepted, he must have been extreme. * * * W has acquired acolytes that refuse to have anything negative published about the master. That also the reason why you rarely read about W's sex life, which is ... interesting.

garyclarke27 11y ago
When I was in school in the 70's, I was hit and canned by teachers, was socially acceptable then, of course knocking unconscious is going a bit too far. I don't think he molested his pupils, more a reflection of his intensity about learning and frustration with students who didn't share this, many of his pupils loved him and performed exceptionally well under his tutelage.
- mafribe 11y ago
  I agree that corporeal punishment was generally accepted at the time. This is why I suspect (but don't know and surely can't prove, and might be wildly off the mark) that the primary reason the parents petitioned the authorities to get him removed was to do with his sexual preferences for boys. P
  - pekk 11y ago
    I have seen it written before that Wittgenstein had romantic associations with both men and women, but I have never read that he was a pedophile.
    - mafribe 11y ago
      Pedophile is the wrong expression! Maybe ephebophile is more appropriate?
privong 11y ago
> I wonder why this is downvoted. Wittgenstein's behaviour is certainly inexcuseable. However, I downvoted the comment because "dudebro's a child abuser" adds nothing to the discussion and the use of "dudebro" suggests the commenter is not interested in engaging in constructive dialog.
- mafribe 11y ago
  Good point, I agree, it's not a constructive contribution. I should have paid more attention to the tone of the post.

dredmorbius 11y ago

Substantively true, by current standards, and even at the time, with a further more serious incident later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haidbauer_incident?wprov=sfla1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haidbauer_incident?wprov=sfla1