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This is why I am highly suspicious of Clojure and its fans. This is a little too much. Is there a Martin Odersky fanclub? Or Brendan Eich? Or Rob Pike? (OK, Ro

This is why I am highly suspicious of Clojure and its fans. This is a little too much. Is there a Martin Odersky fanclub? Or Brendan Eich? Or Rob Pike? (OK, Rob Pike is actually close to having one). But this looks cult-ish to me.

rpdillon 11y ago
I read through the repo and it's basically a page about his work. There's very little there that isn't totally objective. Cults tend to go on and on about things that either don't exist or are being attributed great powers that are, at best, not objectively verifiable, or at worst, are objective refutable. This seems to have neither.
- atemerev 11y ago
  All right, maybe cult is too strong a word. What I meant is "obsession". I have my share of friends who often start their posts with "oh, look, Rich just _nailed_ it this time!". They watch all his videos etc. (I don't like video talks at all. Reading is so much faster.)
  - coldtea 11y ago
    >I have my share of friends who often start their posts with "oh, look, Rich just _nailed_ it this time!" They watch all his videos etc. And that's a cult? Wait till you discover PG fans... (Or Agile evangelists for that matter)
    - atemerev 11y ago
      Is agile still a thing? I thought that it became just The Way To Code In Big Enterprise, as it happens to all of it.
      - coldtea 11y ago
        Now it's Scrum and co, but, yeah, same shit.
dudul 11y ago
I think you're being a little too literal here.
erichmond 11y ago
Penalizing the language because the people who use it really like the creator seems like an odd way to approach languages. That said, I will say that Rich's talks and his approach resonate with me in ways that none of those other guys you mentioned do. It may just be how he chooses to structure his talks and how he expresses himself, but his willingness to both critique existing systems and provide (arguably) better solutions is really refreshing. I don't see that being communicated well in other talks.
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dragandj 11y ago
The page is basically The collected works. I have The Complete Works of Mark Twain, that doesn't make me a cult follower. The same with this page.
solipsism 11y ago
A = {Rich Hickey fans} B = {Clojure developers} (A \ B) ∪ (B \ A) ≠ ∅
- marxama 11y ago
  IRL, I've actually met two people who've watched and enjoyed talks by Hickey, but I haven't met a single one who's actually tried Clojure...
jm547ster 11y ago
So you're suspicious of your friends and are forming your opinion on a programming language based on that? Right....
- atemerev 11y ago
  Oh, of course I tried coding in Clojure. Wasn't immediately excited :)
ACow_Adonis 11y ago
He may be cute, but he's no Hadley Wickham! - R Fan Club
coldtea 11y ago
>Is there a Martin Odersky fanclub? Or Brendan Eich? Or Rob Pike? No, Hickey has a fan club. Go is a cult -- and judging from the language design, it's a "back to nature", Amish kind of affair.
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- jbeja 11y ago
  Completely agree.
panzagl 11y ago
K&R? DHH? Matz? Joe Armstrong? Guido? Larry Wall? I'd say those all have bigger 'followings' than Rich Hickey, or at least did back in their time.
wirrbel 11y ago
What about Python's Guido van Rossum? Or Larry Wall I am much more suspicious of them than of Hickey.
cnp 11y ago
Maybe if you spent more time with the material you would be less suspicious?
jbeja 11y ago
Does any of them has any charisma?

rpdillon 11y ago

I read through the repo and it's basically a page about his work. There's very little there that isn't totally objective. Cults tend to go on and on about things that either don't exist or are being attributed great powers that are, at best, not objectively verifiable, or at worst, are objective refutable. This seems to have neither.

atemerev 11y ago
All right, maybe cult is too strong a word. What I meant is "obsession". I have my share of friends who often start their posts with "oh, look, Rich just _nailed_ it this time!". They watch all his videos etc. (I don't like video talks at all. Reading is so much faster.)
- coldtea 11y ago
  >I have my share of friends who often start their posts with "oh, look, Rich just _nailed_ it this time!" They watch all his videos etc. And that's a cult? Wait till you discover PG fans... (Or Agile evangelists for that matter)
  - atemerev 11y ago
    Is agile still a thing? I thought that it became just The Way To Code In Big Enterprise, as it happens to all of it.
    - coldtea 11y ago
      Now it's Scrum and co, but, yeah, same shit.

dudul 11y ago

I think you're being a little too literal here.

erichmond 11y ago

Penalizing the language because the people who use it really like the creator seems like an odd way to approach languages. That said, I will say that Rich's talks and his approach resonate with me in ways that none of those other guys you mentioned do. It may just be how he chooses to structure his talks and how he expresses himself, but his willingness to both critique existing systems and provide (arguably) better solutions is really refreshing. I don't see that being communicated well in other talks.

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dragandj 11y ago

The page is basically The collected works. I have The Complete Works of Mark Twain, that doesn't make me a cult follower. The same with this page.

solipsism 11y ago

A = {Rich Hickey fans} B = {Clojure developers} (A \ B) ∪ (B \ A) ≠ ∅

marxama 11y ago
IRL, I've actually met two people who've watched and enjoyed talks by Hickey, but I haven't met a single one who's actually tried Clojure...

jm547ster 11y ago

So you're suspicious of your friends and are forming your opinion on a programming language based on that? Right....

atemerev 11y ago
Oh, of course I tried coding in Clojure. Wasn't immediately excited :)

ACow_Adonis 11y ago

He may be cute, but he's no Hadley Wickham! - R Fan Club

coldtea 11y ago

>Is there a Martin Odersky fanclub? Or Brendan Eich? Or Rob Pike? No, Hickey has a fan club. Go is a cult -- and judging from the language design, it's a "back to nature", Amish kind of affair.

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jbeja 11y ago
Completely agree.

panzagl 11y ago

K&R? DHH? Matz? Joe Armstrong? Guido? Larry Wall? I'd say those all have bigger 'followings' than Rich Hickey, or at least did back in their time.

wirrbel 11y ago

What about Python's Guido van Rossum? Or Larry Wall I am much more suspicious of them than of Hickey.

cnp 11y ago

Maybe if you spent more time with the material you would be less suspicious?

jbeja 11y ago

Does any of them has any charisma?