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> A new study from Harvard Business School backs up this line of reasoning. It found that when service-sector employers used a job test, they hired workers who

by bko 11y ago

> A new study from Harvard Business School backs up this line of reasoning. It found that when service-sector employers used a job test, they hired workers who tended to stay at the job longer — indicating that they were a better match. When employers overruled the test results to hire someone for more subjective reasons, the employees were significantly more likely to quit or be fired. That's an interesting finding considering that standardized tests are often criticized for not promoting diversity. Ive read that standardized tests were originally intended to combat bias, and i think they are fairly successful in that regard. It's a shame that they have fallen out of political favor in favor of looking for "the right type" of subjective qualities of candidates.

dragonwriter 11y ago
Standardized tests are rarely job tests. Non-job-specific standardized tests may eliminate bias with regard to what they are designed to measure, but the choice of such a test itself introduces bias to the extent that the test favors one group over another in ways which do not reflect the job for which it is given, even if it is unbiased in what it is intended to measure. (This is the basic reason behind the case that is often mispresented as outlawing standardized IQ tests in hiring, which did not actually do that but instead required that, to the extent that such tests disproportionately disqualified members of a protected class, that there be evidence that the test was a real measure of performance on the job for which it was used as a hiring filter.)
- bko 11y ago
  Yes, no test is perfect but I think its better than the alternative. The best part is that its fair in the sense that the person knows what to expect. A lot of people feel disillusioned about processes that have a subjective element, so much so that they don't participate. If I were told the precise steps that all but guarantee an outcome, that person would likely find that preferable to the alternative. It would build trust into the system, even though the objective methods may be too rigid at times. Businesses have all the incentive to create tests that measure real performance. These kinds of problems are best solved in the highly competitive market place for talent. I don't think some politician would do a better job at determining what makes a good employee and how to hire that employee. I've read somewhere that the push for "well-rounded" candidates in colleges was pushed partly to stop the flow of very strong asian candidates displacing others. That's why schools that rely primarily on tests, like the elite Stuyvesant high school, end up with disproportionately asian students (Stuyvesant is 72% Asian). They get criticized for some reason due to the outcome of their selection method. Perhaps going to a school with predominately Asians has downsides for the student, but that's really a judgement call that should be left up to the parents. And the rationales normally used to prove racial bias for a test doesn't really hold water since the groups doing well are usually first or second generation immigrants. I think rigging the system in favor of one group is pretty bad, but rigging it just so that its harder for another group may be even worse.
funkyy 11y ago
This is getting ridiculous. Standardized test is ONLY test that is fair. The very first moment people will get different tests based on their race will be moment when racism started and will shortly follow by employer discrimination.

by bko 11y ago

dragonwriter 11y ago

Standardized tests are rarely job tests. Non-job-specific standardized tests may eliminate bias with regard to what they are designed to measure, but the choice of such a test itself introduces bias to the extent that the test favors one group over another in ways which do not reflect the job for which it is given, even if it is unbiased in what it is intended to measure. (This is the basic reason behind the case that is often mispresented as outlawing standardized IQ tests in hiring, which did not actually do that but instead required that, to the extent that such tests disproportionately disqualified members of a protected class, that there be evidence that the test was a real measure of performance on the job for which it was used as a hiring filter.)

bko 11y ago
Yes, no test is perfect but I think its better than the alternative. The best part is that its fair in the sense that the person knows what to expect. A lot of people feel disillusioned about processes that have a subjective element, so much so that they don't participate. If I were told the precise steps that all but guarantee an outcome, that person would likely find that preferable to the alternative. It would build trust into the system, even though the objective methods may be too rigid at times. Businesses have all the incentive to create tests that measure real performance. These kinds of problems are best solved in the highly competitive market place for talent. I don't think some politician would do a better job at determining what makes a good employee and how to hire that employee. I've read somewhere that the push for "well-rounded" candidates in colleges was pushed partly to stop the flow of very strong asian candidates displacing others. That's why schools that rely primarily on tests, like the elite Stuyvesant high school, end up with disproportionately asian students (Stuyvesant is 72% Asian). They get criticized for some reason due to the outcome of their selection method. Perhaps going to a school with predominately Asians has downsides for the student, but that's really a judgement call that should be left up to the parents. And the rationales normally used to prove racial bias for a test doesn't really hold water since the groups doing well are usually first or second generation immigrants. I think rigging the system in favor of one group is pretty bad, but rigging it just so that its harder for another group may be even worse.

funkyy 11y ago

This is getting ridiculous. Standardized test is ONLY test that is fair. The very first moment people will get different tests based on their race will be moment when racism started and will shortly follow by employer discrimination.