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i agree with you, although i think you are forgetting to add (and maybe it is implied here and i missed it) that learning mobile development requires you to not

i agree with you, although i think you are forgetting to add (and maybe it is implied here and i missed it) that learning mobile development requires you to not only learn new language APIs in objC/swift, but you also have to learn some new design patterns (delegation, etc.) and most importantly the SDKs (CocoaTouch) if you can use react native and avoid learning a lot of this it is a big win - I havnt used it yet, and I have a hard time believing it a mobile only company would use it to build their mobile app, but i am excited where it is going.

coldtea 11y ago
>learning mobile development requires you to not only learn new language APIs in objC/swift, but you also have to learn some new design patterns (delegation, etc.) Delegation has been a standard feature of desktop APIs for decades. Not just on things like Smalltalk and ObjC -- it has been the standard .NET model for UI events since C# 1.0.
- jaegerpicker 11y ago
  sure but the majority of developers writing code write webapps. Some there are some desktop apps out there but not a lot.
  - danappelxx 11y ago
    Going to need a source on that 'majority' of which you speak of as if its a fact. Sure, web development is popular, but there are a _lot_ of developers working on other things (which potentially include delegation). Also, I'm sure you'll many web frameworks that use the delegation pattern.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    I'd say the majority of developers write enterprise code, whether web or not.
tiglionabbit 11y ago
Isn't delegation just a slight variation on callbacks?
- meggar 11y ago
  Basically yeah. An object can have one delegate object, which implements a set of required and optional methods defined in a protocol. So the delegate can add customized behavior to an object without subclassing.
seivan 11y ago
React-Native pattern with delegates is passing down functionHandlers to childComponents that would trigger them. Except Objective-C (and Swift) had protocol conformance. Though come to think of it TypeScript allows you define an interface for a Component, one of those attributes could be a function. Not really getting away from it. ;-)
warcher 11y ago
So here's the real bear of it, and the crux of my argument. The delegate thing is an iOS thing. Android uses a totally different pattern. I mean, there are delegates, to be sure, but android loves their anonymous inner classes in many of those cases. (Which is closer to idiomatic js IMHO.) So on a language level sure, easy peasy, you could delegate in javascript all day long (and you do). But on a platform level, nuh-uh. One is going left and the other is going right. How do you meet in the middle? What fine line gets scrubbed in between?

coldtea 11y ago

>learning mobile development requires you to not only learn new language APIs in objC/swift, but you also have to learn some new design patterns (delegation, etc.) Delegation has been a standard feature of desktop APIs for decades. Not just on things like Smalltalk and ObjC -- it has been the standard .NET model for UI events since C# 1.0.

jaegerpicker 11y ago
sure but the majority of developers writing code write webapps. Some there are some desktop apps out there but not a lot.
- danappelxx 11y ago
  Going to need a source on that 'majority' of which you speak of as if its a fact. Sure, web development is popular, but there are a _lot_ of developers working on other things (which potentially include delegation). Also, I'm sure you'll many web frameworks that use the delegation pattern.
- coldtea 11y ago
  I'd say the majority of developers write enterprise code, whether web or not.

tiglionabbit 11y ago

Isn't delegation just a slight variation on callbacks?

meggar 11y ago
Basically yeah. An object can have one delegate object, which implements a set of required and optional methods defined in a protocol. So the delegate can add customized behavior to an object without subclassing.

seivan 11y ago

React-Native pattern with delegates is passing down functionHandlers to childComponents that would trigger them. Except Objective-C (and Swift) had protocol conformance. Though come to think of it TypeScript allows you define an interface for a Component, one of those attributes could be a function. Not really getting away from it. ;-)

warcher 11y ago

So here's the real bear of it, and the crux of my argument. The delegate thing is an iOS thing. Android uses a totally different pattern. I mean, there are delegates, to be sure, but android loves their anonymous inner classes in many of those cases. (Which is closer to idiomatic js IMHO.) So on a language level sure, easy peasy, you could delegate in javascript all day long (and you do). But on a platform level, nuh-uh. One is going left and the other is going right. How do you meet in the middle? What fine line gets scrubbed in between?