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If salary growth is important to you, there's also another way to get it. Whenever I have changed jobs, the increase in salary has been like an order or magnitu

If salary growth is important to you, there's also another way to get it. Whenever I have changed jobs, the increase in salary has been like an order or magnitude more than what you would get if you stayed. (2% vs 20%). I am not saying you should always be looking to change jobs, but if you are looking for salary increases, negotiating is only one way to get it.

potatolicious 11y ago
I think you're strongly agreeing with each other? Negotiating is something you do while you are in a job and while you are switching jobs. Even when switching jobs your negotiation ability can mean a dramatic difference in how much you are compensated. > "but if you are looking for salary increases, negotiating is only one way to get it." Well no, negotiating is the only way you can get it - you have to negotiate with the next company too. Switching jobs might get you a 15% raise by default, but a good negotiator can make that 50% instead (or 15% + a bunch of other perks).
- cgopalan 11y ago
  I say "I am currently at X now, and I am looking for Y% more" and the recruiter/company says "done". If you consider that negotiation, yes I am negotiating. According to other people on here (including patio11) its a more subtle, nuanced and longer drawn-out game. Edit: Key point here is that I am not gauging how much I can get out of the company. I have a number in mind that I am comfortable with, and asking for that. Edit - Response to the comment below from Consultant32452: That was never in question, I fully am aware of the lack of money obtained as a result of non-negotiation. It just doesn't matter to some people, as they are not optimizing for the highest amount they can get. Maybe they are already well off, or the salary they "non-negotiated" for already is a good-enough amount for them, or are optimizing for other things. Hence once cannot say that negotiation is "necessary".
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  - Consultant32452 11y ago
    You're certainly negotiating, you're just doing so in a way that will statistically mean over the course of your career you will make hundreds of thousands of dollars less.
  - thedufer 11y ago
    I think Patrick's blog post about salary negotiation opens with an illuminating metaphor. In a nutshell, are there any strange but ultimately trivial tasks you wouldn't do for 20 minutes for $100,000? Because that's the trade you're suggesting is not worthwhile.

potatolicious 11y ago

I think you're strongly agreeing with each other? Negotiating is something you do while you are in a job and while you are switching jobs. Even when switching jobs your negotiation ability can mean a dramatic difference in how much you are compensated. > "but if you are looking for salary increases, negotiating is only one way to get it." Well no, negotiating is the only way you can get it - you have to negotiate with the next company too. Switching jobs might get you a 15% raise by default, but a good negotiator can make that 50% instead (or 15% + a bunch of other perks).

cgopalan 11y ago
I say "I am currently at X now, and I am looking for Y% more" and the recruiter/company says "done". If you consider that negotiation, yes I am negotiating. According to other people on here (including patio11) its a more subtle, nuanced and longer drawn-out game. Edit: Key point here is that I am not gauging how much I can get out of the company. I have a number in mind that I am comfortable with, and asking for that. Edit - Response to the comment below from Consultant32452: That was never in question, I fully am aware of the lack of money obtained as a result of non-negotiation. It just doesn't matter to some people, as they are not optimizing for the highest amount they can get. Maybe they are already well off, or the salary they "non-negotiated" for already is a good-enough amount for them, or are optimizing for other things. Hence once cannot say that negotiation is "necessary".
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- Consultant32452 11y ago
  You're certainly negotiating, you're just doing so in a way that will statistically mean over the course of your career you will make hundreds of thousands of dollars less.
- thedufer 11y ago
  I think Patrick's blog post about salary negotiation opens with an illuminating metaphor. In a nutshell, are there any strange but ultimately trivial tasks you wouldn't do for 20 minutes for $100,000? Because that's the trade you're suggesting is not worthwhile.