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My point was that no-one knows what the French and German governments are upto in secret, because it is still secret. It hasn't been leaked. The only reason t
by adwf 11y ago
My point was that no-one knows what the French and German governments are upto in secret, because it is still secret. It hasn't been leaked. The only reason the US and the UK are getting so much press is because their programs have.
The UK's surveillance program was even ruled illegal once it was found out what they were doing. So what if a lot of the German public are against surveillance - so are a lot of Brits - they just don't know what their government is doing in secret.
I'd bet everything I own the French and Germans and every other major country are doing the exact same stuff.
- nickik 11y agoI don't know about France, at least publicly they are not very excepting of privacy arguments, specially after Paris. I have no idea about the secret part. Germany is somewhat different because of its history. We know quite a bit about what the BND does, in terms of monitoring extremist groups. We have pirates in pretty important positions and the CCC is regularly working with government in oversight commissions. It is pretty hard to hide all that you are doing, both in terms of physical infrastructure and in terms of financials. Now it may be that the BND is extremely clever and hiding all of this from basically everybody. However given the competence displayed by the BND on various action that they have taken, it is a really hard sell that they are operating a infrastructure close to the US or UK one.
- adwf 11y agoYeah, but when you see the outrage that Merkel displayed over finding out her phone had been tapped by the NSA; do you seriously believe that the BND haven't tried the exact same thing on Obama or Cameron when they're in Germany? My point is that a lot of the outrage is only because the UK and US are the only ones we know of.
- nickik 11y agoI am talking about broad mass surveillance not individual acts of espionage.
- dogma1138 11y agoYes and Germany still spied on at least 2 us Secretaries of State and Turkey. Countries spy for most of them it would irresponsible not to do so because riding on the high horse doesn't have much rewards on its own.