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Is this a reason to vote Brexit? I would like to be able to vote out any political party that is entering into such an agreement, but if it's the EU's bureaucr
by lhnz 11y ago
Is this a reason to vote Brexit?
I would like to be able to vote out any political party that is entering into such an agreement, but if it's the EU's bureaucracy itself I have no democratic way to do so.
(I'm asking this sincerely. I don't yet know enough to be able to be for or against Brexit.)
- kitd 11y agoAlthough TTIP is between the US and the EU, if the UK Brexited (?), I assume a Tory gov would have their own US-UK equivalent in place ASAP. Which is quite funny when you consider removing EU regulation is a bit of a rallying cry for the Brexiters (?).
- awjr 11y agoBelieve TTIP is being pushed by the UK government and resisted by countries in Europe.
- izacus 11y agoWhich means that BRexit would mean that EU would get rid of USA's strongest "lapdog".
- deif 11y agoWrong. UKIP and Labour hold the majority seats for the UK in the EUP and they're both against TTIP.
- mcv 11y agoHow would that stop the UK government from pushing this? The EUP does not control the UK government or the House of Commons.
- j_jochem 11y ago@deif TTIP will have to be ratified by the individual national governments, either by voting on it in parliament or through direct popular vote.
- deif 11y agoWell the UK government doesn't get a vote on TTIP... I mean it's a reason to not vote for a Brexit if anything since then they WOULD get a vote to secure a trade deal privately with the US if the UK left the EU.
- josephlord 11y agoBut the Commission largely works on behalf of the Council of Ministers where the UK Government (Conservative) have the vote. Also if the UK leaves Europe the UK could sign up all on its own (although possibly on even worse terms).
- fauigerzigerk 11y agoEurope has a parliament that is elected by the people of Europe, including (as of now) the people of Britain. Without the approval of the EU parliament TTIP cannot become law. Also, the EU Commission (that is the administrative body that you call the EU's bureaucracy) cannot take office or stay in office without the approval of the European parliament. The European parliament has kicked out a commission before so they are by no means a paper tiger. The commission can do very little on its own other than managing things according to existing rules. Without the parliament and the European council (which comprises representatives of national governments), no substantive new regulations can be passed. So yes you can vote them all out and no, the "EU's bureaucracy" cannot enter into such an agreement all by itself.