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Note that TTIP still has to be agreed upon by the EU Parliament. Personally I don't really care what the lobbyists are writing in secret. At some point they hav
by deif 11y ago
Note that TTIP still has to be agreed upon by the EU Parliament. Personally I don't really care what the lobbyists are writing in secret. At some point they have to present to the EUP (where we actually have representation) and they have been very consistent at shutting down the crap that the corporations try to get through.
It's not that secret. It's secret while they work on it, sure, but I've watched countless debates with the Commission vs. EUP. I still have faith that Parliament can protect us (and if not then there's still public outrage and protest if TTIP is ridiculous).
- Aoyagi 11y agoWhat makes you think the lobbyists haven't already "processed" MEPs? European institutions, no matter how high-level, haven't exactly been showing great judgement or interest in doing the good thing.
- deif 11y agoThey probably are. But there's a fair few ministers that are still criticising it. The bad guys here are the EU Commission, not the Parliament. It's important to know which side we need to be supporting because often people blame the government. Examples: * UK MP on transparency - http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/18/mps-can-view-ttip-files-but-take-only-pencil-and-paper-with-them http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/18/mps-can-view... * German MP on what is NOT in the documents - http://www.waronwant.org/media/what-i-didn%E2%80%99t-read-ttip-reading-room http://www.waronwant.org/media/what-i-didn%E2%80%99t-read-tt...
- izacus 11y agoWell, we just found out that 6/7 of our countries MEP's in Parliament voted for TTIP without even reading it. With no consultation or anything else. I have very low hopes that reason will prevail in this case.
- RegW 11y agoIs there a link to support this?
- IanCal 11y ago> Well, we just found out that 6/7 of our countries MEP's in Parliament voted for TTIP without even reading it. Voted for a not-yet negotiated trade agreement? Are you sure you've not misunderstood this? http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/about-ttip/process/index_en.htm#_main-stages http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/ttip/about-ttip/pr...
- izacus 11y agoI was talking about the preliminary resolution on 9. Jul. 2015. While that indeed wasn't a final voting, I have still little hope that the result will be any different.
- jandrese 11y agoWhat hope do you really have? All of the corporate interests are aligned on this and they are the ones that own the representatives.
- rogersmith 11y ago"I still have faith that Parliament can protect us" Sure why not, they've done such a great job so far at protecting Europeans in general and Greeks in particular.
- deif 11y agoYeah those environmental and consumer protection laws are a joke (just to name 2 minor things).
- RobertoG 11y agoTo be fair, there was some attempts in the parliament to protect the Greeks (at least, from some members). It's only that, as everybody knows, the parliament shouldn't be involved in serious issues. We have grow up people in charge of those things that know exactly what is convenient for us.
- coldtea 11y ago>I still have faith that Parliament can protect us Well, the EU Parliament never did much for the fact that important decisions in the eurozone are taken by non-elected bureucrats (e.g. the EC) or unofficial and un-accountable bodies (the "eurogroup").