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Last time I checked, the problems facing web developers were(in no particular order): Rendering HTML templates / JSON Asset compilation / Cache busting Cachi

by dham 11y ago

Last time I checked, the problems facing web developers were(in no particular order): Rendering HTML templates / JSON Asset compilation / Cache busting Caching Sending Email Previewing/Testing Email Background Job queuing(with failure/retry/backoff) Reliable and easy integration/feature testing Connecting to database and modeling data Authentication / Account signup / Confirmation / Forgot Password Security Payment handling PDF / Invoice rendering Deployment Making pretty good money over here and how many ROFL scale GO routines I can run never really came up. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

stevewilhelm 11y ago
> Authentication / Account signup / Confirmation / Forgot Password +1 And Authorized data access.
- codepie 11y ago
  I posted[1] asking specifically about this, a couple of days ago. But didn't get any response. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11152976 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11152976
  - redtuesday 11y ago
    Is djangos default authentication and authorization [1] not enough (since you mentioned django in your post)? If so you could take a look at django-allauth it seems [2] or maybe at Stormpath [3] (external service) or ABAC [3] (which is probably total overkill, too enterprisy and is only used for authorization as far as I know). [1] https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.9/topics/auth/ https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.9/topics/auth/ [2] http://www.intenct.nl/projects/django-allauth/ http://www.intenct.nl/projects/django-allauth/ [3] https://docs.stormpath.com/python/ https://docs.stormpath.com/python/ [4] https://github.com/cedadev/ndg_xacml https://github.com/cedadev/ndg_xacml
Zikes 11y ago
Lots of people making pretty good money developing in whatever language best suits their environment or problem at hand. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- deleted 11y ago
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- tie_ 11y ago
  Even more people are making good money developing in the language/tooling they know/favor, while it is (comparatively) poorly suited to the problem at hand.
hdra 11y ago
You forgot jumping on the hype bandwagon and getting a piece of the hype-rush. Seriously though, Go is a really good language. Its a simple yet solid & powerful language, but why would people feel the need to present it as the silver bullet for everything?
twic 11y ago
Don't forget binding posted form data to a model, and then validating it. It seems like 60% of my web development time is spent getting that right.
- webjunkie 11y ago
  Gotta love Django's ModelForms
- romanovcode 11y ago
  You should try ASP.NET, it will reduce your 60% to about 2%.
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diminish 11y ago
Here a list of why OP's list of advantages of Go for web developers: * Static typing * Web sockets * Concurrency * Unit testing * Speed * Syntax * Formatting tools
- pjmlp 11y ago
  My web development experience, apart from an experience with TCL that teached me never to rely on scripting languages for serious web applications, is on the JVM and .NET stacks. Both eco-systems fill all those bullet points.
  - vetinari 11y ago
    As someone, who is right now debugging an .ear, my preferences right now would have JVM or NET stack at the end, behind all scripting languages imaginable.
    - pjmlp 11y ago
      Using Java doesn't mean to use EAR files. Luckily I only had to use them on Websphere based deployments.
- cmdkeen 11y ago
  By night I might play with Django and like it. By day I make good money using C# where I get all of the above at what seems to be a much more web appropriate level than Go. One of the things that I'm really liking about the ASP.Net Core rewrite is that a framework that has been around for ages is taking an opportunity to look at what it does well, what it doesn't and what other languages / frameworks have innovated on more recently and stealing liberally. C# has been through several cycles of how to write concurrent code now and offers both Task and async/await depending on your needs. Not only is web sockets support there but SignalR is there as a useful API for common cases. If you want even better static typing you can switch to F#. Not everyone was doing web development using single threaded dynamically typed languages before Go came along.

by dham 11y ago

stevewilhelm 11y ago

> Authentication / Account signup / Confirmation / Forgot Password +1 And Authorized data access.

codepie 11y ago
I posted[1] asking specifically about this, a couple of days ago. But didn't get any response. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11152976 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11152976
- redtuesday 11y ago
  Is djangos default authentication and authorization [1] not enough (since you mentioned django in your post)? If so you could take a look at django-allauth it seems [2] or maybe at Stormpath [3] (external service) or ABAC [3] (which is probably total overkill, too enterprisy and is only used for authorization as far as I know). [1] https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.9/topics/auth/ https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.9/topics/auth/ [2] http://www.intenct.nl/projects/django-allauth/ http://www.intenct.nl/projects/django-allauth/ [3] https://docs.stormpath.com/python/ https://docs.stormpath.com/python/ [4] https://github.com/cedadev/ndg_xacml https://github.com/cedadev/ndg_xacml

Zikes 11y ago

Lots of people making pretty good money developing in whatever language best suits their environment or problem at hand. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

deleted 11y ago
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tie_ 11y ago
Even more people are making good money developing in the language/tooling they know/favor, while it is (comparatively) poorly suited to the problem at hand.

hdra 11y ago

You forgot jumping on the hype bandwagon and getting a piece of the hype-rush. Seriously though, Go is a really good language. Its a simple yet solid & powerful language, but why would people feel the need to present it as the silver bullet for everything?

twic 11y ago

Don't forget binding posted form data to a model, and then validating it. It seems like 60% of my web development time is spent getting that right.

webjunkie 11y ago
Gotta love Django's ModelForms
romanovcode 11y ago
You should try ASP.NET, it will reduce your 60% to about 2%.

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diminish 11y ago

Here a list of why OP's list of advantages of Go for web developers: * Static typing * Web sockets * Concurrency * Unit testing * Speed * Syntax * Formatting tools

pjmlp 11y ago
My web development experience, apart from an experience with TCL that teached me never to rely on scripting languages for serious web applications, is on the JVM and .NET stacks. Both eco-systems fill all those bullet points.
- vetinari 11y ago
  As someone, who is right now debugging an .ear, my preferences right now would have JVM or NET stack at the end, behind all scripting languages imaginable.
  - pjmlp 11y ago
    Using Java doesn't mean to use EAR files. Luckily I only had to use them on Websphere based deployments.
cmdkeen 11y ago
By night I might play with Django and like it. By day I make good money using C# where I get all of the above at what seems to be a much more web appropriate level than Go. One of the things that I'm really liking about the ASP.Net Core rewrite is that a framework that has been around for ages is taking an opportunity to look at what it does well, what it doesn't and what other languages / frameworks have innovated on more recently and stealing liberally. C# has been through several cycles of how to write concurrent code now and offers both Task and async/await depending on your needs. Not only is web sockets support there but SignalR is there as a useful API for common cases. If you want even better static typing you can switch to F#. Not everyone was doing web development using single threaded dynamically typed languages before Go came along.