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Paying for the privilege of seeing adverts. So fundamentally MS. I'm so glad Win7 will be supported until 2020.

by gargravarr 11y ago

ArbitraryHobo 11y ago
Too bad about Intel dropping support for Skylake and newer CPUs on Windows 7.
- cm2187 11y ago
  you mean Microsoft dropping support for Skylake
  - jfuhrman 11y ago
    Can't drop something that doesn't exist.
    - wongarsu 11y ago
      You can drop something that doesn't exist but was announced. Thechnically Skylake support for Win7 wasn't announced, but the effect is the same since there was an implicit expectation that the feature would come.
      - cm2187 11y ago
        But I presume dropping support just means not being able to use the latest features. Even a very old system image of windows 7 will run on the very latest skylake. It doesn't need the very latest updates. I doubt they will create a kill switch in a windows update that refuses to boot if the system detects a too modern CPU.
        Laforet 11y ago
        They can refuse to provide a signed driver for the platform, but like you said it is unclear how far they will go. Still better than Chrome endig support for Windows Vista this upcoming April...
      - jfuhrman 11y ago
        >Thechnically Skylake support for Win7 wasn't announced, but the effect is the same since there was an implicit expectation that the feature would come. From where did this implicit expectation come from? Windows 7 mainstream support ended in Jan 2015 and that was known since forever. Extended support implies: >Microsoft no longer supplies non-security hotfixes unless you have an extended support agreement >All warranty claims end >Microsoft no long accepts requests for new features and design changes
freddref 11y ago
It's more prevalent than you would expect. People pay for cable and magazines. People even pay to become walking ads when they buy brand name clothing. edit: comma
- cm2187 11y ago
  When I was still reading paper magazine, the first thing I did when I received a new issue of The Economist was to shake it over a garbage bin to remove all the inserts and tear up the card board insert in the middle...
  - bduerst 11y ago
    Hahah, I did the same. It was either the Economist or FT that did a cost/benefit analysis of removing those inserts for their already-subscribed customers copies, and found that it would cost more in lost new subscriptions to remove them.
    - frandroid 11y ago
      > it would cost more in lost new subscriptions to remove them. How does that make sense?
      - gjm11 11y ago
        Some of those inserts were invitations to subscribe to the Economist.
      - rm_-rf_slash 11y ago
        I guess because people are reminded weekly to resubscribe or buy subscriptions as gifts. I dunno if it applies to me since I would habitually forget to resubscribe until they sent me the YOUR LAST ISSUE wrapping like an invasive Santa Claus.
      - bduerst 11y ago
        Opportunity cost of lost subscriptions. A certain percentage of those inserts will convert to new subscriptions, even if the person receiving the insert was already a subscriber.
civilian 11y ago
My brother cut me a login to his Comcast Xfinity. I tried watching "The Magicians" on syfy.com--- and there's 100 seconds of ads, six times over a 45 minute show! It makes the cliffhangers and pauses even more obnoxious. I'm going to go back to torrenting.
- blisterpeanuts 11y ago
  No TV/cable, but on a trip recently I tried to watch syfy on the hotel TV -- and it was more ads than show. I can't believe anyone puts up with it; I swear it was five minutes of ads and five minutes of movie. No thanks; I'll just wait until things come to Prime or Netflix.
  - seanp2k2 11y ago
    Yeah, if you stop watching TV for a few years, trying to watch again after is really jarring. The volume-boost of ads, while not as bad as it used to be, is still pretty obnoxious, and the sheer quantity of ads makes shows much less enjoyable. I really believe that our parents are the last generation to really put up with all the ads, and our generation will just torrent / wait for Netflix / Prime or something else with minimal ads. The days of paying $100/month for 60 channels with linear programming spending a third of their time on ads are numbered.
    - Silhouette 11y ago
      Unfortunately the industry's response to people avoiding explicit ads seems to be including ever more product placement. At least I can skip the ads with my PVR. Better that than having immersion in a show I enjoy totally broken by some blatant product logo or, worse, a really out-of-place line delivered dutifully but still awkwardly by an actor whose character would never say that. Possibly the only more annoying thing in TV is when some totally out of place, usually bright and animated logo pops up a couple of minutes before the end of the show I'm actually watching, usually with a boxy ad for some other show on the same channel next to it. Way to completely ruin the ending of the current show.
a3n 11y ago
When cable TV first came out, way back in the previous century, one of the benefits was supposedly going to be no commercials. Because you're paying to receive it. Now I'd guess more commercials are delivered via cable (and all those channels) than broadcast.
- ank_the_elder 11y ago
  This is precisely why my household got cable, and precisely the reason why years later we stopped having cable.

Paying for the privilege of seeing adverts. So fundamentally MS. I'm so glad Win7 will be supported until 2020.

ArbitraryHobo 11y ago

Too bad about Intel dropping support for Skylake and newer CPUs on Windows 7.

cm2187 11y ago
you mean Microsoft dropping support for Skylake
- jfuhrman 11y ago
  Can't drop something that doesn't exist.
  - wongarsu 11y ago
    You can drop something that doesn't exist but was announced. Thechnically Skylake support for Win7 wasn't announced, but the effect is the same since there was an implicit expectation that the feature would come.
    - cm2187 11y ago
      But I presume dropping support just means not being able to use the latest features. Even a very old system image of windows 7 will run on the very latest skylake. It doesn't need the very latest updates. I doubt they will create a kill switch in a windows update that refuses to boot if the system detects a too modern CPU.
      - Laforet 11y ago
        They can refuse to provide a signed driver for the platform, but like you said it is unclear how far they will go. Still better than Chrome endig support for Windows Vista this upcoming April...
    - jfuhrman 11y ago
      >Thechnically Skylake support for Win7 wasn't announced, but the effect is the same since there was an implicit expectation that the feature would come. From where did this implicit expectation come from? Windows 7 mainstream support ended in Jan 2015 and that was known since forever. Extended support implies: >Microsoft no longer supplies non-security hotfixes unless you have an extended support agreement >All warranty claims end >Microsoft no long accepts requests for new features and design changes

freddref 11y ago

It's more prevalent than you would expect. People pay for cable and magazines. People even pay to become walking ads when they buy brand name clothing. edit: comma

cm2187 11y ago
When I was still reading paper magazine, the first thing I did when I received a new issue of The Economist was to shake it over a garbage bin to remove all the inserts and tear up the card board insert in the middle...
- bduerst 11y ago
  Hahah, I did the same. It was either the Economist or FT that did a cost/benefit analysis of removing those inserts for their already-subscribed customers copies, and found that it would cost more in lost new subscriptions to remove them.
  - frandroid 11y ago
    > it would cost more in lost new subscriptions to remove them. How does that make sense?
    - gjm11 11y ago
      Some of those inserts were invitations to subscribe to the Economist.
    - rm_-rf_slash 11y ago
      I guess because people are reminded weekly to resubscribe or buy subscriptions as gifts. I dunno if it applies to me since I would habitually forget to resubscribe until they sent me the YOUR LAST ISSUE wrapping like an invasive Santa Claus.
    - bduerst 11y ago
      Opportunity cost of lost subscriptions. A certain percentage of those inserts will convert to new subscriptions, even if the person receiving the insert was already a subscriber.

civilian 11y ago

My brother cut me a login to his Comcast Xfinity. I tried watching "The Magicians" on syfy.com--- and there's 100 seconds of ads, six times over a 45 minute show! It makes the cliffhangers and pauses even more obnoxious. I'm going to go back to torrenting.

blisterpeanuts 11y ago
No TV/cable, but on a trip recently I tried to watch syfy on the hotel TV -- and it was more ads than show. I can't believe anyone puts up with it; I swear it was five minutes of ads and five minutes of movie. No thanks; I'll just wait until things come to Prime or Netflix.
- seanp2k2 11y ago
  Yeah, if you stop watching TV for a few years, trying to watch again after is really jarring. The volume-boost of ads, while not as bad as it used to be, is still pretty obnoxious, and the sheer quantity of ads makes shows much less enjoyable. I really believe that our parents are the last generation to really put up with all the ads, and our generation will just torrent / wait for Netflix / Prime or something else with minimal ads. The days of paying $100/month for 60 channels with linear programming spending a third of their time on ads are numbered.
  - Silhouette 11y ago
    Unfortunately the industry's response to people avoiding explicit ads seems to be including ever more product placement. At least I can skip the ads with my PVR. Better that than having immersion in a show I enjoy totally broken by some blatant product logo or, worse, a really out-of-place line delivered dutifully but still awkwardly by an actor whose character would never say that. Possibly the only more annoying thing in TV is when some totally out of place, usually bright and animated logo pops up a couple of minutes before the end of the show I'm actually watching, usually with a boxy ad for some other show on the same channel next to it. Way to completely ruin the ending of the current show.

a3n 11y ago

When cable TV first came out, way back in the previous century, one of the benefits was supposedly going to be no commercials. Because you're paying to receive it. Now I'd guess more commercials are delivered via cable (and all those channels) than broadcast.

ank_the_elder 11y ago
This is precisely why my household got cable, and precisely the reason why years later we stopped having cable.