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WordPress is schizophrenic Oh hey let's load up your webpages with all this cr*p by default, tons of javascript, css, external files, fonts, headers, footers u

by ck2 11y ago

WordPress is schizophrenic Oh hey let's load up your webpages with all this cr*p by default, tons of javascript, css, external files, fonts, headers, footers useless markup. Oh hey, let's use this plugin to strip all that out. How about not putting it in there in the first place.

cphoover 11y ago
lol
krapp 11y ago
I would say in that case, the administrator who didn't properly configure their theme and plugins is "schizophrenic."
- currysausage 11y ago
  Most administrators are lazy. If you write software for thousands or millions of users, sane defaults are a must. I find it useful to keep Saint-Exupéry in mind: "It seems that perfection is attained not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to remove." Let's look at the first lines of WordPress's default template: <!DOCTYPE html> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" dir="ltr" lang="en-US"> <head profile="http://gmpg.org/xfn/11"> Why bother with xmlns if it's not well-formed XML anyway? Why dir and lang if you don't really know what language the content is in? We now have the funny situation that most non-English pages wrongly declare lang="en-US" because W3C evangelists told template authors that lang is really important, rendering the attribute completely useless. What the heck is profile="http://gmpg.org/xfn/11" http://gmpg.org/xfn/11" supposed to do?
  - nissehulth 11y ago
    What "default template" would that be? As for the "lang" attribute, it is set to the language chosen when WordPress was installed.
    - currysausage 11y ago
      Oops, sorry, I was looking at the HTML of the theme previewer instead of the theme itself. With regard to WordPress, only my "XHTML friends network" point remains valid. Concerning web development in general, I have seen way too much cargo cult boilerplate, too many hardcoded lang attributes, etc.
      - nissehulth 11y ago
        Yeah, the value of "XFN" is debatable. But it's usually written as a link element that doesn't really break anything.
  - josefresco 11y ago
    First 3 lines of Twenty Sixteen are: <!DOCTYPE html> <html lang="en" class="no-js"> <head> I checked back to Twenty Fourteen and didn't see the lines you referenced. Regardless, it's a silly argument, the default themes are "reference" themes, meant to show off all the features WordPress offers and of course don't represent all WP themes.
CM30 11y ago
A large portion of said code comes from themes and plugins. Especially the latter, which seem to use (abuse) wp_enqueue_script and wp_enqueue_style like it's going out of fashion. A significant amount of WordPress related overhead would disappear if developers would keep resources to a minimum and provide a way to turn them off without writing additional code. Or if there was some built in system that tried to bundle together the CSS and JS files.

by ck2 11y ago

cphoover 11y ago

lol

krapp 11y ago

I would say in that case, the administrator who didn't properly configure their theme and plugins is "schizophrenic."

currysausage 11y ago
Most administrators are lazy. If you write software for thousands or millions of users, sane defaults are a must. I find it useful to keep Saint-Exupéry in mind: "It seems that perfection is attained not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to remove." Let's look at the first lines of WordPress's default template: <!DOCTYPE html> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" dir="ltr" lang="en-US"> <head profile="http://gmpg.org/xfn/11"> Why bother with xmlns if it's not well-formed XML anyway? Why dir and lang if you don't really know what language the content is in? We now have the funny situation that most non-English pages wrongly declare lang="en-US" because W3C evangelists told template authors that lang is really important, rendering the attribute completely useless. What the heck is profile="http://gmpg.org/xfn/11" http://gmpg.org/xfn/11" supposed to do?
- nissehulth 11y ago
  What "default template" would that be? As for the "lang" attribute, it is set to the language chosen when WordPress was installed.
  - currysausage 11y ago
    Oops, sorry, I was looking at the HTML of the theme previewer instead of the theme itself. With regard to WordPress, only my "XHTML friends network" point remains valid. Concerning web development in general, I have seen way too much cargo cult boilerplate, too many hardcoded lang attributes, etc.
    - nissehulth 11y ago
      Yeah, the value of "XFN" is debatable. But it's usually written as a link element that doesn't really break anything.
- josefresco 11y ago
  First 3 lines of Twenty Sixteen are: <!DOCTYPE html> <html lang="en" class="no-js"> <head> I checked back to Twenty Fourteen and didn't see the lines you referenced. Regardless, it's a silly argument, the default themes are "reference" themes, meant to show off all the features WordPress offers and of course don't represent all WP themes.

CM30 11y ago

A large portion of said code comes from themes and plugins. Especially the latter, which seem to use (abuse) wp_enqueue_script and wp_enqueue_style like it's going out of fashion. A significant amount of WordPress related overhead would disappear if developers would keep resources to a minimum and provide a way to turn them off without writing additional code. Or if there was some built in system that tried to bundle together the CSS and JS files.